Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 14:28:04 GMT -5
Well I have saw the plug with my own eyes and the flame path is very short since the bushing is recessed way up in the plug. The overall system was well machined. The HIS lrmp really is a better ignition system than the 209 as my pressure testing is confirming. I am sure this plug will work similarly. After a couple more comparison tests, I plan to do most future testing on the lrmp other than 209 requests.
|
|
|
Post by speedrackin on Jan 22, 2017 15:37:22 GMT -5
ck out the rcbs hand priming tool no holder required works good
|
|
|
Post by m4madness on Jan 22, 2017 16:22:30 GMT -5
ck out the rcbs hand priming tool no holder required works good The thing is, I'd have just shy of $40 in a RCBS hand primer. For $30 more, I can have a press, shell holder, and priming/depriming accessories, on the odd chance that I ever take up handloading in the future. You can't beat a brand new single-stage press for $33.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 16:56:35 GMT -5
The HIS lrmp really is a better ignition system than the 209 as my pressure testing is confirming. I am sure this plug will work similarly. After a couple more comparison tests, I plan to do most future testing on the lrmp other than 209 requests. I'm hoping so....... After weighing cost, I had to go with the new system. Many many people have been plenty happy with Luke's work and 209 builds so, I'm assuming the LRMP is going to be just as good. The $1000 upgrade to Jeffs system is not in my fixed income range. I will make myself a little more clear. My comparison was between lrmp and 209. That is all.. If the internal dimensions are similar, including flame path volume, Luke's plug should be comparable. If you have a Savage, barrel nut wrench and an action vise, it should be an easy upgrade.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 17:01:01 GMT -5
ck out the rcbs hand priming tool no holder required works good The thing is, I'd have just shy of $40 in a RCBS hand primer. For $30 more, I can have a press, shell holder, and priming/depriming accessories, on the odd chance that I ever take up handloading in the future. You can't beat a brand new single-stage press for $33. That will get you started. Priming in a press is a pia. A hand primer can be in your range box for use there too.
|
|
|
Post by 150class on Jan 22, 2017 17:54:20 GMT -5
The HIS lrmp really is a better ignition system than the 209 as my pressure testing is confirming. I am sure this plug will work similarly. After a couple more comparison tests, I plan to do most future testing on the lrmp other than 209 requests. I'm hoping so....... After weighing cost, I had to go with the new system. Many many people have been plenty happy with Luke's work and 209 builds so, I'm assuming the LRMP is going to be just as good. The $1000 upgrade to Jeffs system is not in my fixed income range. $1,000 to upgrade? No way is the HIS system even one bit close to that much more, even if you go all out with all of the bells and whistles.
|
|
|
Post by m4madness on Jan 22, 2017 18:07:50 GMT -5
I'm hoping so....... After weighing cost, I had to go with the new system. Many many people have been plenty happy with Luke's work and 209 builds so, I'm assuming the LRMP is going to be just as good. The $1000 upgrade to Jeffs system is not in my fixed income range. $1,000 to upgrade? No way is the HIS system even one bit close to that much more, even if you go all out with all of the bells and whistles. I know for my Apex, Luke's cost is $200 and Jeff's is $325 for the same items (plug, bushing, and 20 modules). Jeff's price includes installation. I don't know if Luke's does or not. www.smokelessmz.com/arrowheadplug_lrmp.htmlwww.hankinscustomrifles.com/muzzle-loading-shooting-supplies/muzzleloader-building-components/
|
|
|
Post by nyhunter on Jan 22, 2017 18:13:45 GMT -5
You don't need a press to prime modules (although such is possible) as many other have pointed out.
A hand primer (Lee, RCBS ECT...) IMO is easier and faster for priming modules, additionally it is portable so you my prime modules at the range if necessary.
However the Lee single stage press can also be used to size bullets if you purchase a sizing die.
Good luck, I,m sure you will happy with the LRMP HIS Ignition system.
|
|
|
Post by m4madness on Jan 22, 2017 18:18:34 GMT -5
I agree last year when I got a quote, it was barely a difference..... (couldn't complete as I had to pay for my brothers funeral and as stated, I'm on a fixed income) sent an email to get an updated quote and Jeff told me that he was undercutting himself and from now on it is $2850 minus any parts you send in. He was going to knock off 200 for my action or $650 (cost of my ultimate) if I sent it in. That's without ramrod ferrule, or barrel band. Luke was over a grand less, numbers don't lie!! Yeah, you're in a whole different ballpark than I, since you are rebarreling, etc.
|
|
|
Post by m4madness on Jan 22, 2017 18:28:05 GMT -5
Oh, I agree. There's no way I would swing thousands of dollars to convert a bolt-action to a .45 SML, considering I only use a muzzleloader a few days a year. That's why I went with a CVA Apex. I would have went with the cheaper Scout, but wanted to be able to swap on a .308 barrel for firearms season.
|
|
|
Post by Hank on Jan 22, 2017 18:35:52 GMT -5
Luke's website does not say anything about installation. So I am willing to bet that is an extra cost. My plug kit cost $225.00 and I always send 25 modules +1, and I ship for $6.90. The last time I bought from Luke he charged me $13.90 and sent it in a $3.00 envelope, so be careful as to what you really might think is the cheapest deal. The cheapest is not always the best. My plug kit installed is $325.00 and comes with 25 modules although my website says it comes with 20 I always through in a few extras.
|
|
|
Post by 150class on Jan 22, 2017 18:50:13 GMT -5
$1,000 to upgrade? No way is the HIS system even one bit close to that much more, even if you go all out with all of the bells and whistles. I won't argue with you but I've got a quote from both and have it in black and white I will just caution you to make sure you are comparing apples to apples. I won't argue one over the other, just that I think your quotes are most likely for two very different animals.
|
|
|
Post by mike on Jan 22, 2017 18:58:11 GMT -5
Wow, a lot of comparing apples to oranges and I get the distinct feeling someone is here to agitate and rile-up the crowd.
|
|
|
Post by m4madness on Jan 22, 2017 18:59:31 GMT -5
Luke's website does not say anything about installation. So I am willing to bet that is an extra cost. My plug kit cost $225.00 and I always send 25 modules +1, and I ship for $6.90. The last time I bought from Luke he charged me $13.90 and sent it in a $3.00 envelope, so be careful as to what you really might think is the cheapest deal. The cheapest is not always the best. My plug kit installed is $325.00 and comes with 25 modules although my website says it comes with 20 I always through in a few extras. Yeah, I never noticed that you had an uninstalled price on your page as well, so they are basically priced about the same.
|
|
|
Post by Hank on Jan 22, 2017 19:08:26 GMT -5
I agree last year when I got a quote, it was barely a difference..... (couldn't complete as I had to pay for my brothers funeral and as stated, I'm on a fixed income) sent an email to get an updated quote and Jeff told me that he was undercutting himself and from now on it is $2850 minus any parts you send in. He was going to knock off 200 for my action or $650 (cost of my ultimate) if I sent it in. That's without ramrod ferrule, or barrel band. Luke was over a grand less, numbers don't lie!! Last year when you got a quote I was not a year behind on builds and did not have over 100 Ultimates to re-barrel, so I decided I had to change the way I did my quotes. I takes just as much time to build a rifle when I get all the parts as it does when someone sends them to me for a conversion. So my price to build a rifle is $2850.00 if you want to supply the parts I will subtract the cost of those parts from the price of the build. I allow $400.00 for you supplying the action and $200.00 if you supply the stock. This is a lot of money to spend on a rifle build, but it takes a lot of money to operate a shop, pay the utility bills, mortgage, insurance, taxes, machinery, tooling, phone, cable, ,, the expenses go on and on. I am in this profession to make a living, I am here for my customers 7 days a week and I intend to stay around for a long time to come. So if you want me to build your rifle you will have to pay the price I am asking. Yes you can get someone to build it cheaper in his basement, or out building, you can find some one with a lathe in their shed that can re-barrel your rifle, and if that's what you are looking for then that's ok with me, but when you try to call them on Sunday because you can't get something to work correctly, and they are out of touch, then you got what you paid for. On our second day of deer season here in KY I had a guy call me and this is what he said,,,, Not word for word but I will get it as close as I can recall. I was in the woods hunting when my phone rang and I answered it. It was a guy that had just bought a muzzle loader form Bobby Hart. He had a bullet stuck half way down the barrel and he asked if I could tell him how get it out.... I told him the only way was to remove the plug and push it out the muzzle. A simple fix. He said the plug would not come out and that he had unscrewed it to the point it was rattling in the chamber area. It turned out that the plug was to big to fit through the bolt bore and the barrel had to be removed to get the plug out. He apologized for calling me and said he had been trying to call Bobby Hart since the Thursday before and had left numerous messages for him to return his call. That guy has purchased two custom builds from me since the day I talked to him, and he swore he would never buy another thing form Bobby Hart. So do your home work, research your options, make wise decisions and go burn some powder.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2017 19:25:49 GMT -5
I agree last year when I got a quote, it was barely a difference..... (couldn't complete as I had to pay for my brothers funeral and as stated, I'm on a fixed income) sent an email to get an updated quote and Jeff told me that he was undercutting himself and from now on it is $2850 minus any parts you send in. He was going to knock off 200 for my action or $650 (cost of my ultimate) if I sent it in. That's without ramrod ferrule, or barrel band. Luke was over a grand less, numbers don't lie!! This is a lot of money to spend on a rifle build, but it takes a lot of money to operate a shop, pay the utility bills, mortgage, insurance, taxes, machinery, tooling, phone, cable, ,, the expenses go on and on. I am in this profession to make a living, I am here for my customers 7 days a week and I intend to stay around for a long time to come. So if you want me to build your rifle you will have to pay the price I am asking. Jeff, I remember in a video some time back a nice lady delivered a big supreme pizza to your shop....is that included in the over head?? Just kiddin....
|
|
|
Post by Hank on Jan 22, 2017 19:27:33 GMT -5
The HIS lrmp really is a better ignition system than the 209 as my pressure testing is confirming. I am sure this plug will work similarly. After a couple more comparison tests, I plan to do most future testing on the lrmp other than 209 requests. I'm hoping so....... After weighing cost, I had to go with the new system. Many many people have been plenty happy with Luke's work and 209 builds so, I'm assuming the LRMP is going to be just as good. The $1000 upgrade to Jeffs system is not in my fixed income range. Luke had to come up with a new system. He has had so many unhappy customers (calling me) complaining about the 209 system leaking and the fix was to install shims in the primer cavity to fix the problem, He new that the LRMP system was the better way to go and now he will have plenty of re-work and I am sure he will sell many of those system to unhappy 209 shooters. The only bad thing is those customers bought an expensive 209 bolt conversion and now they will be converting back if they still have the parts, or in many cases (as with the Remington 700 bolts) they sold their bolt ( or someone else did) and now they got to buy another one. Luke's system will work very well, it is an almost exact copy of the HIS ignition system that has been field tested and proven for almost 10 years now. Its a shame those guys over there couldn't except the fact way back when I first started telling them there was a better and easier way to do things. Now after years of HIS success they are catching on... Although I am banned from that board and you cannot even mention my name or products over there,,,, Luke has made a copy of it and now its the greatest thing.
|
|
|
Post by dp on Jan 22, 2017 19:33:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't expect anybody to answer the phone on Sunday but I get your point.
I must say though I've saw a lot of quality stuff come out of Elkman's, Hillbill's and others basements.
But like you said when a man has a year long wait backlog his pricing isn't a problem.
|
|
|
Post by Hank on Jan 22, 2017 19:33:47 GMT -5
This is a lot of money to spend on a rifle build, but it takes a lot of money to operate a shop, pay the utility bills, mortgage, insurance, taxes, machinery, tooling, phone, cable, ,, the expenses go on and on. I am in this profession to make a living, I am here for my customers 7 days a week and I intend to stay around for a long time to come. So if you want me to build your rifle you will have to pay the price I am asking. Jeff, I remember in a video some time back a nice lady delivered a big supreme pizza to your shop....is that included in the over head?? Just kiddin.... Yes Rambler, The Pizza is included in the overhead,, I have to eat too,,, Ya know.. And I will be eating very well this Saturday at the SIXTH KENTUCKY SHOOT along with my closest friends and shooting companions. We will be having all you can eat bean soup, corn bread, pulled pork and plenty of mud for everyone. Let the festivities begin....
|
|
|
Post by speedrackin on Jan 22, 2017 19:33:56 GMT -5
+ 10
|
|