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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 7, 2022 4:13:07 GMT -5
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Post by shindig on Oct 14, 2022 17:03:06 GMT -5
Love the pictures
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 19, 2022 13:33:52 GMT -5
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Post by Hank on Oct 19, 2022 18:22:04 GMT -5
I hope everyone is ok with me cleaning up this thread a little. I don't have a problem with it being on this board.
It could very much lead to sharing information about our smokeless muzzle loaders, so if anyone has pictures or other info to share here, feel free.
One piece of info that was shared already was the bullet going 3065 FPS blows one hell of a hole in the deer at 165 yards. That's information to me that some people may never see if posted elswhere.
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Post by shindig on Oct 20, 2022 6:44:15 GMT -5
Awesome job . Thanks for sharing
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Post by mike on Oct 20, 2022 11:32:57 GMT -5
Cool scope-view photos, Chris, and congratulations on some fresh meat in the cooler. Interesting to view the skin issues, warts, present on this deer. I've seen various other skin anomalies on deer mostly larger masses that might be some form of cyst.
Pertaining to the post-shot "carnage"; while I've never shot a deer with a 328 Pittman launched out of my heavy Hankins SPML-45, your observation is why I only take broad-side lung shots with my Hankins CVA Apex SPML firing Hornady 250 FTX bullets. Doesn't damage any meat taking out two or three inches of ribcage.
Post more photos so I can live vicariously through your experiences. haha Wish I lived closer to an area where I could gain permission to hunt. Good luck to you for the rest of the season, hope you kill a nice big buck.
Take care,
Mike
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Post by spikes on Oct 20, 2022 13:28:30 GMT -5
Congrats sir! Nice shooting. Muzzleloader in TN is still another few weeks off but ill be sure to post in here at that point. GL all. |
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 20, 2022 14:18:41 GMT -5
Cool scope-view photos, Chris, and congratulations on some fresh meat in the cooler. Interesting to view the skin issues, warts, present on this deer. I've seen various other skin anomalies on deer mostly larger masses that might be some form of cyst. Pertaining to the post-shot "carnage"; while I've never shot a deer with a 328 Pittman launched out of my heavy Hankins SPML-45, your observation is why I only take broad-side lung shots with my Hankins CVA Apex SPML firing Hornady 250 FTX bullets. Doesn't damage any meat taking out two or three inches of ribcage. Post more photos so I can live vicariously through your experiences. haha Wish I lived closer to an area where I could gain permission to hunt. Good luck to you for the rest of the season, hope you kill a nice big buck. Take care, Mike Thanks, Mike! There was actually a decent 10-pt buck standing a few feet away from that doe when I shot. He wasn’t bigger than what I already have on the wall so he got a “pass”. I did decide, however, to EDUCATE him a little bit….he took off like a scalded dog when that doe hit the ground. He’ll likely shy away from feeders for a while. 😂🤣 Take care buddy!👍 |
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Post by mike on Oct 20, 2022 17:49:30 GMT -5
I applaud your decision, Chris, as hard as it sometimes is, big-rack bucks cannot exist unless hunters pass-up the young bucks. I listened to a Vortex podcast with a deer biologist as their guest. A very interesting deer-aging interview indeed. The most encouraging facts the biologist offered were the stats pertaining to the harvest by year-class. He claims more 4-1/2 to 7-1/2 year old bucks are being harvested than ever because more and more hunters understand the basic concept. While my mushy old brain can't remember the numbers, the percentage harvest of fully mature bucks (I think he said, don't quote me, 4-1/2 maximum antler potential) makes up a much higher number than historical numbers. I think he also said in the old days the great majority of harvested bucks were 1-1/2. I don't remember what his research area consisted of, maybe PA?
Yea, I'd presume that now educated buck may not be back to your bait-site. My buddy in West Virginia sent me photos a day or so ago of a big old mature buck that he routinely, past four years, photos on his trail cams. My buddy was sitting one of the stands on the property in hopes of finally meeting up with big-boy. He said this is about the time of year when they lose track of any sightings until the next year. Later that night after coming off stand, he sent me more photos of big-boy taken that very afternoon by the trail cam at the other stand site..... Some bucks, via the accumulation of early life experiences acquire a PhD education on how to not be seen by hunters. My buddy believes big-boy moves his bedding location tight behind a friend's home and goes 100% nocturnal. Only person to get a shot at that kind of buck is a scum-bag poacher. haha
Take care,
Mike
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Post by chromeslayer on Oct 21, 2022 3:08:28 GMT -5
Ill join in.. First up was me and my oldest boy out doin alil doe managment during the Ny early doe season.. let the cva scout/ pittman accumax combo break the ice on the 2022 season  Next up Ny Youth season.. my brothers kids were both old enough to get a crack at it.. first one to score on the nite was my nephew Jase shootin my heavy built Hankins 45 300g Pittman Aeromax combo.. 130yd shot and his first deer was dead on the spot  Next up was his sister Olivia on the same nite on a diff farm sitting with her dad.. she let the Bestill heavy built 45 with a 325g Aeromax do the talkin and laid down her first buck as well  |
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 21, 2022 3:51:49 GMT -5
chromeslayerNow, THAT’S what I’m talkin about! Kids, deer and SML’s! Doesn’t get any better than that. Nice going, bro. 👍
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Post by deadeer on Oct 21, 2022 8:14:57 GMT -5
Awesome job kiddos!! Congrats!
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Post by ballistic on Oct 25, 2022 9:04:18 GMT -5
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Post by mike on Oct 25, 2022 10:43:27 GMT -5
Here’s a 6 point bull elk taken a few days ago. It was with open sights (required for this hunt) at 180 yards. .40 cal brux from Hankins 325 pitman -120 grains weight blackhorn 209-3050 fps -powder chamber (don’t try this in your combo) gun is built for it. 1 of the pics shows a crosshair (it’s a pic from a spotting scope) Wound channel was massive. That pic shows a 6” hole and that’s the entry after breaking the front shoulder. Dropped the elk and only an ear moved after. Bullet did not exit. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentCongratulations! That's one heck of an open-sight shot! I'd have to do a lot of open-sight practicing to learn if I can hit anything that far away. I see your rear-sight is attached to a pic-rail, is the front-sight attached via drilling and tapping for mounting screws? With the powder-chamber volume machined in your barrel being designed for Blackhorn, are you able to use the rifle with smokeless powder? One of these days I'm going to get a chance at shooting a deer with a Pittman Aeromax 328 hard-core launched from my Hankins SPML-45. I'll be curious to see what difference in entrance, wound-channel and exit the hard-core bullet produces compared to the resulting destruction I've seen from the soft-cores. However, from years of reading posts I know to only attempt a broadside lung shot to avoid destroying a bunch of meat. Of course, if I ever am blessed to see a real trophy buck and he doesn't offer me his broadside, I'm not going to rule out any shot angle including a "Texas heart shot". haha |
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Post by Deputy819 on Oct 25, 2022 10:50:45 GMT -5
mike😂🤣😂 I’ve heard that “STRAIGHT UP THE CHUTE” shot works pretty good!!!🤣😂 I cannot attest to it, however. 😇
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Post by ballistic on Oct 25, 2022 20:25:02 GMT -5
Here’s a 6 point bull elk taken a few days ago. It was with open sights (required for this hunt) at 180 yards. .40 cal brux from Hankins 325 pitman -120 grains weight blackhorn 209-3050 fps -powder chamber (don’t try this in your combo) gun is built for it. 1 of the pics shows a crosshair (it’s a pic from a spotting scope) Wound channel was massive. That pic shows a 6” hole and that’s the entry after breaking the front shoulder. Dropped the elk and only an ear moved after. Bullet did not exit. View AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentView AttachmentCongratulations! That's one heck of an open-sight shot! I'd have to do a lot of open-sight practicing to learn if I can hit anything that far away. I see your rear-sight is attached to a pic-rail, is the front-sight attached via drilling and tapping for mounting screws? With the powder-chamber volume machined in your barrel being designed for Blackhorn, are you able to use the rifle with smokeless powder? One of these days I'm going to get a chance at shooting a deer with a Pittman Aeromax 328 hard-core launched from my Hankins SPML-45. I'll be curious to see what difference in entrance, wound-channel and exit the hard-core bullet produces compared to the resulting destruction I've seen from the soft-cores. However, from years of reading posts I know to only attempt a broadside lung shot to avoid destroying a bunch of meat. Of course, if I ever am blessed to see a real trophy buck and he doesn't offer me his broadside, I'm not going to rule out any shot angle including a "Texas heart shot". haha Yes the rear sight is attached to the pic rail. The front sight (see pic) is also attached to a pic rail on the front of the barrel. The front sight has a KNS crosshair in it that covers 1.5” @ 100 yards. When shooting at a 6” circle at 100 yards this combo has shot several 1” groups. Ben (guy in the pic) used my muzzy to harvest this elk. The rear sight (matech) has been also used to shoot out to 460 yards and does really well. Ben and I believe that we could shoot elk out to 400 yards with this setup - but would need a lot of practice to make sure. I have to wear distance glasses for my older eyes and am fortunate to see ok through the peep sight and place the KNS crosshairs on the target. this muzzy has a 70 grain powder chamber based off IMR4166 smokeless. I use direct ignition and the 120 grain by weight blackhorn 209 powder really flattens the wlr primers. 125 grains will put me on the edge of blowing the primer pockets out. The barrel is built pretty heavy -so I don’t recommend that you use my recipe.   |
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Post by dennis on Oct 26, 2022 7:53:21 GMT -5
Congratulations! That's one heck of an open-sight shot! I'd have to do a lot of open-sight practicing to learn if I can hit anything that far away. I see your rear-sight is attached to a pic-rail, is the front-sight attached via drilling and tapping for mounting screws? With the powder-chamber volume machined in your barrel being designed for Blackhorn, are you able to use the rifle with smokeless powder? One of these days I'm going to get a chance at shooting a deer with a Pittman Aeromax 328 hard-core launched from my Hankins SPML-45. I'll be curious to see what difference in entrance, wound-channel and exit the hard-core bullet produces compared to the resulting destruction I've seen from the soft-cores. However, from years of reading posts I know to only attempt a broadside lung shot to avoid destroying a bunch of meat. Of course, if I ever am blessed to see a real trophy buck and he doesn't offer me his broadside, I'm not going to rule out any shot angle including a "Texas heart shot". haha Yes the rear sight is attached to the pic rail. The front sight (see pic) is also attached to a pic rail on the front of the barrel. The front sight has a KNS crosshair in it that covers 1.5” @ 100 yards. When shooting at a 6” circle at 100 yards this combo has shot several 1” groups. Ben (guy in the pic) used my muzzy to harvest this elk. The rear sight (matech) has been also used to shoot out to 460 yards and does really well. Ben and I believe that we could shoot elk out to 400 yards with this setup - but would need a lot of practice to make sure. I have to wear distance glasses for my older eyes and am fortunate to see ok through the peep sight and place the KNS crosshairs on the target. this muzzy has a 70 grain powder chamber based off IMR4166 smokeless. I use direct ignition and the 120 grain by weight blackhorn 209 powder really flattens the wlr primers. 125 grains will put me on the edge of blowing the primer pockets out. The barrel is built pretty heavy -so I don’t recommend that you use my recipe. View AttachmentView AttachmentIs your front sight pic rail glued or screwed to the barrel, or both? Just curious. Interesting set-up. |
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Post by mike on Oct 26, 2022 10:07:31 GMT -5
Very interesting sighting system, looks like high quality well engineered stuff, guess it has to be to handle the recoil. Probably pretty common stuff for guys hunting in States that do not allow muzzleloader scopes. I notice the yardage marks on the peep assembly, how close are the distances on the wheel compared to the actual elevations drops? With as much trouble as I have hitting targets out to 400 yards with the benefit of a powerful scope, I bow-down to you guys who can do that with open sights! And my old eye muscles would get quite a workout, I'm sure, focusing on the peep, front-sight reticle and my target. Some day I may attempt to plan an elk hunt, never been out west to elk country. I think my chances of drawing a tag in any of the eastern elk states is slim to nil. haha Very cool, thanks for sharing and explaining. Take care.
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Post by ballistic on Oct 26, 2022 10:29:27 GMT -5
Is your front sight pic rail glued or screwed to the barrel, or both? Just curious. Interesting set-up. Ok Here’s the details on the front sight. My barrel is .960 at the forend. So I used an encore pic rail for the 1” barrels on encores. It is drilled and tapped in the 4 holes the encore bases come in. It is also epoxy bedded but didn’t really need it. I also set up a .45 barrel at .830 and it needed bedding to fill the gaps and it works really well. I left the pic rail at 6” so I could have some error compensation for my eyes and the rear sight. If I was to slide the sight rearwards I can see the KNS crosshairs better in low light. I could cut the rail off to 3” and it would look better - but I’m known for contraptions so I won’t change it -LOL. The front KNS sight sits in an A2 sight from an AR10 -it’s the tall version for a gas block. The KNS crosshair insert sight is rated for 50 bmg but I think my muzzy kicks harder than that - lol. So far about 50 rounds on it and it’s doing great. |
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Post by ballistic on Oct 26, 2022 10:58:48 GMT -5
Very interesting sighting system, looks like high quality well engineered stuff, guess it has to be to handle the recoil. Probably pretty common stuff for guys hunting in States that do not allow muzzleloader scopes. I notice the yardage marks on the peep assembly, how close are the distances on the wheel compared to the actual elevations drops? With as much trouble as I have hitting targets out to 400 yards with the benefit of a powerful scope, I bow-down to you guys who can do that with open sights! And my old eye muscles would get quite a workout, I'm sure, focusing on the peep, front-sight reticle and my target. Some day I may attempt to plan an elk hunt, never been out west to elk country. I think my chances of drawing a tag in any of the eastern elk states is slim to nil. haha Very cool, thanks for sharing and explaining. Take care. Ok Here’s the short answer. Everything is spot on on this sight out to 460 yards as tested. Everything was measured and mic.d for total travel on the dial and then divided by the distance between between the MAtech rear sight and the KNS front sight at 30”. This is what the actual drops should be compared to the dial. Conditions are 8500 feet and 45 degrees Pitman 325 (Bc .584) @3050 fps. Dial Actual drop” 200 200 0 300 290 -4 —- 360. -11 400 430. -19 450 500 -30 550 610. -56 600 670. -70 When we shot at 460 yards we were 3” low using the 400 mark on the dial. Still need to test the longer shots - but the angular formula is spot on so far. Also If shooting at sea level this might be true to the dial. Or I could slow the speed to 2900 fps and that would work true at 8500 feet where we were hunting. This is actually almost perfect for the .45 with the pitman 300 aeromax at 2950 fps. So this could work really well on several combos. My front and rear pic rails on this setup also give me the ability to set the sights as short as 17” and as far as 32” so you could adjust for low Bc bullets at slower speeds and high Bc rounds at faster speeds. I came up with the idea a year ago. I also tried many many sights and liked this one the best. Here’s the very best part of this combo. 1- I can take the front and rear sight off and put my scope back on in less than 5 minutes. 2- I can leave the sights on and use a QR cantilever scope mount made for AR15 using the MAtech rear sight and put the scope on in 30 seconds. And take the scope back off just as fast and the open sights are ready to go. The rear sight folds down and has a ball decent to hold it down. Ok I was long winded on this……….. Thanks for your interest. |
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