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Post by buckstuds on Mar 5, 2023 9:14:22 GMT -5
In my black/blued scout, I have to size the sst and knurl up the BE. Something is up, both bullets should shoot around a inch.
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Post by jat on Mar 5, 2023 9:29:16 GMT -5
Yeah… I’m scratching my head. I took the breech plug out cleaning it and brushed the barrel. Shot 2 at 50 yards with 60 grains. 2.5” apart at 50. It takes about 2 fingers pressure to push the bullet down the barrel as Jeff recommended on you tube.
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Post by peteo on Mar 5, 2023 10:14:19 GMT -5
Yeah… I’m scratching my head. I took the breech plug out cleaning it and brushed the barrel. Shot 2 at 50 yards with 60 grains. 2.5” apart at 50. It takes about 2 fingers pressure to push the bullet down the barrel as Jeff recommended on you tube. Are you using wads? If not 060 wool wads would probably help.
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Post by jeffgra on Mar 5, 2023 10:37:05 GMT -5
I am using the HIS system with Winchester wrlm primers. I shot 20 plus times yesterday with Parker BE 275 and hornady sst 250 bullets. Went 60 and 65 grains of IMR 4198 with both bullets. Best group was 3”. I would get 2 touching then throw one. I consider my self a good shot with a center fire just throwing that out there that I don’t think it’s me. I tightened to fore end as I saw to do on another post, scope is tight, solid rest… any suggestions? From 60 to 65 grains no real difference in grouping other than the elevation. Pittman 275 time?Thanks and look forward to hearing your feedback Shoot it with a different scope.
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Post by jat on Mar 5, 2023 10:40:16 GMT -5
I have not tried the wads yet. One thing I failed to mention that my modules have burn “smut” pretty heavy on the primer side after each shot Maybe that’s normal? I can follow up with a picture later
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Post by jeffgra on Mar 5, 2023 11:33:44 GMT -5
I have not tried the wads yet. One thing I failed to mention that my modules have burn “smut” pretty heavy on the primer side after each shot Maybe that’s normal? I can follow up with a picture later Definitely post pictures of the modules. That doesn’t sound normal
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Post by jat on Mar 5, 2023 13:33:35 GMT -5
I have the pictures but there’s no indications to post them to the thread from my phone.
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Post by jeffgra on Mar 6, 2023 15:41:28 GMT -5
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Post by jeffgra on Mar 6, 2023 15:45:18 GMT -5
I have the pictures but there’s no indications to post them to the thread from my phone. hit reply to topic, then hit desktop in the lower right of the screen then you should see add attachment
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Post by blackpowder72 on Mar 6, 2023 16:20:39 GMT -5
I am using the HIS system with Winchester wrlm primers. I shot 20 plus times yesterday with Parker BE 275 and hornady sst 250 bullets. Went 60 and 65 grains of IMR 4198 with both bullets. Best group was 3”. I would get 2 touching then throw one. I consider my self a good shot with a center fire just throwing that out there that I don’t think it’s me. I tightened to fore end as I saw to do on another post, scope is tight, solid rest… any suggestions? From 60 to 65 grains no real difference in grouping other than the elevation. Pittman 275 time?Thanks and look forward to hearing your feedback Try a wad , all my Scouts have liked wads. Maybe try running a brush down the barrel after every couple shots , I do that on my bolt action and it works .
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Post by mateo on Mar 6, 2023 16:24:30 GMT -5
I have not tried the wads yet. One thing I failed to mention that my modules have burn “smut” pretty heavy on the primer side after each shot Maybe that’s normal? I can follow up with a picture later The modules could be the problem. I'm using the Federal Large Magnum Rifle Primers in mine. I don't seem to have anything on the "firing" pin side, but do get a little bit of "smut" on the exit side of it, not much though. Here's what I'm shooting, and it's shooting lights out up to 200 yds, (haven't went further yet unfortunately). I'm sure I'm missing something, but thought I'd offer up my experience so far, and hopefully it helps you in some way.
-275 grain Acumax Pittman
-Wool Wads. Do not glue them to the back of the bullet. I had someone recommend it to me, and while they weren't terrible, my grouping suffered slightly, and I can only attribute it to that, since it was the only change I made. I did confirm this with shooting a (2) shot group at 100 yds without having them glued and only had a 1/4" to 3/8" spread.
-65 grains IMR 4198
-I don't really clean my gun (only actually cleaned the barrel once in approx 95 to 100 shots, just due to remounting scope and starting over) I've cleaned the breech plug a couple of times, but am also realizing it doesn't actually need cleaned much at all. So far my experience is it shoots better the dirtier it gets.
-I do clean my modules before re-priming, (probably don't have to). There's really not much to clean, I take a small pick and spend about 15 seconds on each one is all. Again, it probably doesn't do anything, but that's what I've been doing and will continue to.
-I have my bullets sized to fit perfect with slight one handed pressure. Not too hard, not too soft. It's definitely a feel thing on that as you build up some fouling. I only had to change my sizing die once, and that was because the 1st (60) shots or so I sized them outside in the colder temps, and now I'm sizing them in my garage at warmer temps. I will always size in my garage now, and my bullets fit perfect in the garage, and the 1st one is slightly looser than the rest when out shooting in the cold.
-Make sure to back out the little black screw under the forearm if you forearm isn't tight. It doesn't take much. I backed mine out as far as I possibly could while still being able to snap the forearm back on.
-I have found that waiting approx 5 minutes between shots helps with grouping, but isn't totally necessary. I did (2) quick 3 shot groups followed right up with a 4 shot group without letting it cool at all and was still about a 2" group at 200 yds, with one of the groups having bullets in the same hole. But, I have found you can shoot very sub MOA if you let the barrel cool a little bit, just my experience.
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Post by hillbill on Mar 6, 2023 17:12:16 GMT -5
If you have fouling on the primer side of the module you have a problem. Also sounds like either your rail is loose or you scope has taken a dump.
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Post by mateo on Mar 7, 2023 8:23:33 GMT -5
Yes, hillbill is correct on that module issue. Could be your primer choice. He brings up a very good point about the base and scope as well. Make sure you pull that base off, clean the gun, base rail, screws, and screw holes with alcohol or acetone. Blue locktite the base down to approx 20 in lbs. Bedding it in epoxy would be an added benefit as well. I'm still using the factory CVA base that came with mine. I didn't bed it, and it has performed well, hasn't moved at all. Put witness marks to see if your rail, rings, and/or scope is moving. I found that my base and lower rings were not moving at all, however I was getting some scope slippage within the rings themselves, so after contacting my scope ring and scope manufacturer, I removed the top half of the rings and my scope. I cleaned up everything real good, and re-installed using slightly higher torque settings on the ring screws than the ring manufacturer originally suggested. The box said 18 in lbs, but they emailed me and said I could go up to 22 to 25 inch lbs. My scope manufacturer said I could go up to 45 in lbs without crushing the tube. I went with 24 in lbs, and I also applied a little dusting of rosin powder to the insides of the rings. I've shot around 40 more shots since I've done this and nothing is moving at all.
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Post by jat on Mar 19, 2023 11:50:44 GMT -5
Sorry for the long delay. I have sent the gun back to Hankins per his request and he found the barrel was bored “20/thousandths “ to deep and is making me a special breech plug to fix the issue. It was causing pressure problems. Once I get it back I plan to switch to federal 215 primers and 275 grain Pittman accumax bullets. I plan to start out with 65 grain of 4198
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Post by buckeye68 on Mar 19, 2023 12:22:44 GMT -5
Posting this picture for JAT.
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Post by jat on Mar 19, 2023 16:45:42 GMT -5
Anyone ever seen primers for this?
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Post by shindig on Mar 19, 2023 17:50:28 GMT -5
Outdoorlimited.com
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