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Post by jat on Feb 18, 2023 8:03:04 GMT -5
New to the smokeless scene but I have a scout conversion on the way and have a pound of H4198. I really want to try Parker BE 275 but I’m looking for Lloyd’s that have worked. Jeff’s you tube video he had good luck with 65 gr 4198. Any suggestions and are there bullets that don’t have to be sized?
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Post by SURESHOT on Feb 18, 2023 8:26:54 GMT -5
IMO you can try various loads, With the number of scouts (V2) that have shot well has been with 65 grains 4198 with a Pittman 275 setting on top of a wool wad purchased from Pittman bullets, the Parker 275 shot well with them in one gun that the owner had purchased. Sizing is not hard with a hand held press
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Post by klook on Feb 18, 2023 8:59:55 GMT -5
Not unless you shoot a .40 and use a sabot. Many have found the 65 gr. load to be to stout for their liking regardless of its accuracy. What is accurate enough? For guns that will most likely be used no further then 300 yards, 1.5 inches at 100 will still do the job. I use 56 grs. and will experiment with sabot's and other bullets and other powders to get what I need. The 65 gr. load killed me and damaged to much meat.
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jat
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Post by jat on Feb 18, 2023 9:15:16 GMT -5
Scratch Lloyd …. Laods
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Post by jat on Feb 18, 2023 9:19:40 GMT -5
Thanks for all the input. I have some Barnes TEZ and Hornady SST I’d like to try as well. Should I start at 60 gr of 4198?
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Post by buckeye68 on Feb 18, 2023 9:46:14 GMT -5
I’ve had really good luck with large Federal primers with no wad
53.5 grains of 4227 with a 265 Fury and a 275 Pittman
63 grains of H4198 with a 300 grain Pittman
I’ve tried lots other but not what I consider accurate
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Post by ronc on Feb 18, 2023 12:28:15 GMT -5
I have no experience with the Scout, but 60 gr of H4198, HIS Ignition, and the 253HC gr Pittman w/wad gets around 2625 fps out of several 26" barrels for me with good accuracy out to 300 yds, no brake required. With the 250 SST, it should do about the same but not quite as accurate and not as far. I think it will require a wad also, especially at less than 60 gr. You didn't say what your purpose, range, recoil limits and expected results were. It would be good to know these things to help you achieve your goals. There are many here that will help you learn what you need to know. It's a journey...  |
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Post by jat on Feb 18, 2023 13:03:10 GMT -5
Thanks again! Recoil is not a concern the main objective is accuracy with in 300 yards followed by a god bullets for whitetail deer . I’m switching to smokeless to extend my effective range during our 2 week season… it’s typically the best time to be on the woods
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Post by shindig on Feb 18, 2023 14:16:21 GMT -5
For the break actions the 65Gr of IMR 4198 with 275 Pittman or 265 Fury and a wool wad is a very accurate load. I shot this from my 16 1/2" barrel 45 Cal pistol and at the Polar Bear shoot this year and was hitting the 150 yd and 200 yd gongs with no problem. Speed was around 2500 FPS . several of us was hitting all the different size gongs down to the small gongs that I believe were 3 or 4 inch. great load !
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Post by Sideshow on Feb 18, 2023 15:28:56 GMT -5
No matter what bullet or load you finally settle on a sizeing die is a good idea to have .
Even in the smoker world the guys that get the best preformance out of their rigs use one . Shooting a SML is a step up into the Big Leagues of muzzleloader preformance so why not be up to the task too in prepareing for that ??
Hankins has a nice one and the best deal too . His scope mount for a Scout is also a Wise investment as are the excellant helps to mount one securely on a current thread on here too . Take advantage of this advice !!! Those that have partisipated in Many rodeos have put out a awesome road map for you on your first goat roping to your benefit . These previous threads are pure gold for a newbie to follow .
Bullet preformance is one thing you havent experianced yet at higher velocity and suggestion both just given and in this years harvest threads really do need to be considered as mandatory i think as well to study . Thats why they are there to use as a library . Good stuff !!!
A recent thread on scopes is also a wise read when outfitting this Scout with one . Your loads will have a direct effect on the cash outlay required for them to live . Recoil levels really matter here as does Brand and Model track records too !!!
All of This Should be studied and considered the first time to save yourself from costly mistakes . Good Luck on your adventure......
Making those 2 weeks the Best youve ever had begins Now !!!
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Post by SURESHOT on Feb 18, 2023 16:55:45 GMT -5
65 grains to me is not a lot of recoil while Deer Hunting, even at the target range its not bad shooting many times during the trip. You can look at some of the targets on a THREAD here (CVA SCOUT GROUPING), I do size my 275 PITTMANS and for DEER hunting out to 300 yards, I am ringing a 10 inch plate,
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Post by lbahunter on Feb 18, 2023 21:36:30 GMT -5
I have no experience with the Scout, but 60 gr of H4198, HIS Ignition, and the 253HC gr Pittman w/wad gets around 2625 fps out of several 26" barrels for me with good accuracy out to 300 yds, no brake required. With the 250 SST, it should do about the same but not quite as accurate and not as far. I think it will require a wad also, especially at less than 60 gr. You didn't say what your purpose, range, recoil limits and expected results were. It would be good to know these things to help you achieve your goals. There are many here that will help you learn what you need to know. It's a journey... ^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Post by booner22 on Feb 18, 2023 21:40:21 GMT -5
I shot loads from 50-65 gr with 250 and 275 gr bullets. All loads were plenty accurate I had a node between 62-63 gr. I would start with 65 as mentioned it seems to be the gold standard against what all other loads in the scout are measured against.
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Post by joelmoney on Feb 19, 2023 12:48:35 GMT -5
Best advice I could give is:
Get some sabots or get a sizing die.
If you want to shoot bullet to bore get the sizing die.
If you don’t want the expense of a sizing die get some sabots and 225gr 40 cal bullets from Mr.Pittman.
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Post by lbahunter on Feb 19, 2023 13:31:07 GMT -5
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Post by jat on Feb 20, 2023 15:01:08 GMT -5
I really appreciate all the input. I’m believe gonna go with the Pittman 275 and start out with 65gr IMR 4198
Thanks
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Post by SURESHOT on Feb 20, 2023 16:29:09 GMT -5
I really appreciate all the input. I’m believe gonna go with the Pittman 275 and start out with 65gr IMR 4198 Thanks I would add the wool wads |
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Post by ar91599 on Feb 20, 2023 17:40:00 GMT -5
We shoot 64gr imr4198 275 Pittman with wool patch
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Post by buckeye68 on Feb 20, 2023 19:25:42 GMT -5
I only use a wad (if) the load/bullet combo is better with it. Some bullets want a wad and some don't. Each barrel is a different animal. X2 |
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Post by jat on Feb 20, 2023 21:13:46 GMT -5
Anyone ever try the Barnes TEZ 250 or 290 gr? Iva head great luck with the Barnes In my center fires .
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