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Post by Sideshow on Feb 21, 2023 0:00:02 GMT -5
Anyone ever try the Barnes TEZ 250 or 290 gr? Iva head great luck with the Barnes In my center fires . Jat the previous threads here discuss copper solids pretty good . Honestly youd do yourself alot of good to search them out . Theres more to it than just putting them down the barrel for most . Read and learn is the Best thing you could do now . I hope you ordered a sizer and the mount . Without a sizer youll be Severely Restricted on bullets that MAY FIT . The factory CVA mount will No Doubt Break as the other guys here have said . Youre going to want something far less complicated than copper monos to get the hang of this !!! Easy tiger lol !!! You really NEED to READ whats already proven to work well and Easier to get started with .
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Post by jat on Feb 21, 2023 5:42:55 GMT -5
Thanks side show. I did order a sizer and going to try both Pittman and Parker bullets. Appreciate the input from all.
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Post by hillbill on Feb 21, 2023 7:10:58 GMT -5
I have never shot the TEZ sized in a land rider bore, while I don't doubt they would perform well on game they would have the BC of a brick IF you could get them to shoot. Richard might have shot some as land riders? Get you some 278 accumax hard cores and try them with the 4198, start around 58 grains and ease up till you find a sweet spot, try wool wads, veggie wads and no wad at all, let your gun tell you what it likes. size your bullets so they go down a clean bore with three fingers on the ramrod, that's a good starting place.
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Post by shoop on Feb 21, 2023 11:47:52 GMT -5
60grn h4198 and 275 parker be here, I’ve tried wads but didn’t make much difference
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Post by mateo on Feb 21, 2023 12:12:27 GMT -5
I've got around 65 shots through mine in the past 3 weeks. 65 grains IMR 4198 with the Pittman 275 grain acumax and a wool wad shoot amazing. Really haven't cleaned it much, pulled the breech plug after 20 shots, scraped some stuff out, and ran I 45 cal wire bristle from breech to bore with 2 separate passes. That's all I've cleaned, didn't use any solvents/water/etc. From shot 20 to 65 it has gotten more accurate. I'm not going to clean this thing at all unless I need to at this point. I'm shooting sub MOA at 200 yards, but haven't got out further yet.
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Post by hillbill on Feb 21, 2023 13:50:11 GMT -5
Also keep in mind the Parker Ballistic extreme will shoot well BUT believe me when I tell you this, they are a grenade at smokeless speeds, not bashing, just telling you from experience. They are very accurate, the BC is not very good though. If you want to get to 300 yards on an animal there are better choices.
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Post by SURESHOT on Feb 21, 2023 14:33:50 GMT -5
I've got around 65 shots through mine in the past 3 weeks. 65 grains IMR 4198 with the Pittman 275 grain acumax and a wool wad shoot amazing. Really haven't cleaned it much, pulled the breech plug after 20 shots, scraped some stuff out, and ran I 45 cal wire bristle from breech to bore with 2 separate passes. That's all I've cleaned, didn't use any solvents/water/etc. From shot 20 to 65 it has gotten more accurate. I'm not going to clean this thing at all unless I need to at this point. I'm shooting sub MOA at 200 yards, but haven't got out further yet. Have you tried it without the wool wad ? Most everyone I have tried, shoots lights out with the wad, 275 Pittman 65 grains 4198 post a target,,,,,,
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Post by mateo on Feb 21, 2023 16:44:14 GMT -5
I've got around 65 shots through mine in the past 3 weeks. 65 grains IMR 4198 with the Pittman 275 grain acumax and a wool wad shoot amazing. Really haven't cleaned it much, pulled the breech plug after 20 shots, scraped some stuff out, and ran I 45 cal wire bristle from breech to bore with 2 separate passes. That's all I've cleaned, didn't use any solvents/water/etc. From shot 20 to 65 it has gotten more accurate. I'm not going to clean this thing at all unless I need to at this point. I'm shooting sub MOA at 200 yards, but haven't got out further yet. Have you tried it without the wool wad ? Most everyone I have tried, shoots lights out with the wad, 275 Pittman 65 grains 4198 post a target,,,,,, I haven't tried without. I figured I'd start with it, and if I had any issues I'd try without.
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Post by jat on Feb 21, 2023 19:50:28 GMT -5
Again thanks for all the info. I can’t wait to get my barrel back next week and give it a try. I’ll post results
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Post by sew on Feb 24, 2023 8:01:45 GMT -5
Also keep in mind the Parker Ballistic extreme will shoot well BUT believe me when I tell you this, they are a grenade at smokeless speeds, not bashing, just telling you from experience. They are very accurate, the BC is not very good though. If you want to get to 300 yards on an animal there are better choices. Wads rarely help, if ever, shooting a BE. They are the softest bullet I think I’ve shot. Their terminal performance is terrible! In 2002 or 2003, shooting a 275 BE knurled (at that time BEs were 450, not 452) and the anemic load of 53g H4198/209 ignition/45 PN (bore sized was new stuff then) , I shot a nice buck in the shoulder , I think at appx 100 yards. Horrible wound! Tracked it, shot it again in rib cage. Horrible wound again, but it killed it. This was likely with 2200’/sec max MV. I can only imagine what would happen at higher velocities. Wads help with bullets/loads that have problems with obturation, or in some cases, protecting the sabot base in higher pressure loads. The Ballistic Extreme is great for target shooting but not for hunting med to larger sized game.
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Post by jat on Feb 24, 2023 10:14:34 GMT -5
Is the fury better for whitetail deer or the Pittman?
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Post by sew on Feb 24, 2023 20:17:09 GMT -5
Pittman HC
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Post by buckeye68 on Feb 24, 2023 20:29:00 GMT -5
Is the fury better for whitetail deer or the Pittman? Shoot the Pittman’s and get the best of both worlds with accuracy and wound channels.
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Post by shindig on Feb 25, 2023 7:47:03 GMT -5
I only use a wad (if) the load/bullet combo is better with it. Some bullets want a wad and some don't. Each barrel is a different animal. X3
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Post by jat on Mar 3, 2023 10:32:39 GMT -5
Any recommendations on sight in height at 100 for a 200 yard zero? 65 grains IMR 4198 and Parker or Pittman 275
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Post by buckstuds on Mar 3, 2023 10:57:03 GMT -5
I use a wool wad with the theory of a barrier from moisture. Not really sure if a wad keeps the powder dry, but it can;t hurt in my opinion.
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Post by SURESHOT on Mar 3, 2023 13:31:03 GMT -5
Any recommendations on sight in height at 100 for a 200 yard zero? 65 grains IMR 4198 and Parker or Pittman 275 With 275 Pittman setting on a wool wad with IMR 4198 65 grains and a HIS breech plug Zeroed in at 3 inches high @ 100 yards, pretty much dead on at 200 and about 6 inches low at 300 yards, have shot this many times here in NC
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Post by hatchetjack1 on Mar 4, 2023 21:39:10 GMT -5
I have a CVA Scout 45-70. It is not converted. I bought it for straight wall cartridge states in the mid-west and certain counties in Maryland. It shoots cloverleafs all day long at 100 yds with 325 gr FTX Lever Revolution ammo from Hornady. The Scout is a great little break action gun. I see why it is so popular for SML conversions. I do have a MGM Brux Encore SML. Past couple of years I have been shooting 250 and 290 grain TEZ bullets. 60 grains of H4198 and a wool wad. 1'' inch groups at 100 yds with good groups out to 300. Plows completely thru deer at all ranges with minimal meat damage and no fragmenting. I could not imagine ramping up my charge to 65 grains . The recoil at 60 grains is already pretty stout even with the heavy bull barrel. After sizing the TEZ's I will give them a slight knurl. To be honest, I was quite surprised at how well they shot when experimenting with them. Good Luck
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Post by gd357 on Mar 4, 2023 22:22:27 GMT -5
Not to throw a wrench in the works, but I don't see anywhere you've posted which ignition system you chose. Would make a bit of difference on powder choices, albeit minor... Are you using modules or DI?
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Post by jat on Mar 5, 2023 8:38:26 GMT -5
I am using the HIS system with Winchester wrlm primers. I shot 20 plus times yesterday with Parker BE 275 and hornady sst 250 bullets. Went 60 and 65 grains of IMR 4198 with both bullets. Best group was 3”. I would get 2 touching then throw one. I consider my self a good shot with a center fire just throwing that out there that I don’t think it’s me. I tightened to fore end as I saw to do on another post, scope is tight, solid rest… any suggestions? From 60 to 65 grains no real difference in grouping other than the elevation. Pittman 275 time?Thanks and look forward to hearing your feedback
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