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Post by jeepeater on Aug 14, 2023 21:26:17 GMT -5
Weatherby has introduced a new line called the 307 . They offer this 700 footprint action also for builds with a field stripable fluted bolt and M16 extraction , threaded as well as replaceable bolt handles are amongst its features . Made in Montana . Looks nice and worth consideration . Its also shown as in stock at Weatherby NOW . 1.062x16 same as Remington tennon threads . The short action only weighs 26.4 oz !!! MSRP is $750 Wow, that’s close to my cost on a Mesa Summit! If that 307 action is well machined, it’s going to hurt some feelings. Almost every action manufacturer has taken advantage of Remington going belly up, raising prices as they become more popular. It looks like Weatherby is taking it the other way, and like I said before, if they’re worth their salt, they’ll corner a large chunk of the builder market at that price point. Thanks for the heads up!
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 16, 2023 23:58:47 GMT -5
Weatherby has introduced a new line called the 307 . They offer this 700 footprint action also for builds with a field stripable fluted bolt and M16 extraction , threaded as well as replaceable bolt handles are amongst its features . Made in Montana . Looks nice and worth consideration . Its also shown as in stock at Weatherby NOW . 1.062x16 same as Remington tennon threads . The short action only weighs 26.4 oz !!! MSRP is $750 Wow, that’s close to my cost on a Mesa Summit! If that 307 action is well machined, it’s going to hurt some feelings. Almost every action manufacturer has taken advantage of Remington going belly up, raising prices as they become more popular. It looks like Weatherby is taking it the other way, and like I said before, if they’re worth their salt, they’ll corner a large chunk of the builder market at that price point. Thanks for the heads up! From what i understand Jeepeater these actions are the product of new EDM and CNC technology . If i recall correctly there was mention of headspaced full shoulder cf PREFIT capability . Thats NICE !!! AND at This Price Point ?? Wow !!! I think Weatherby is Stylin a bit right here !!! 26.4 oz is only 6 oz more than that Defiance An-Ti for less than half the money . $750 is MSRP And you Know that can be beat !!! Im likeing this new effort pretty good so far but still i will search .... i understand the dollar is weaker now and Remington was gone as we knew it , but this aftermarket price gougeing....well that made me angry . We got enough rape going on . For a Lighter Weight field gun this is a really nice budget friend-lier option thats a QUALITY ACTION !!! Hopeing i can find more cool stuff out there waiting to be discovered .....
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Post by hillbill on Aug 17, 2023 9:56:42 GMT -5
Buy one Build off of it Let us know the outcome For the difference I would choose a Mesa every time
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Post by Richard on Aug 17, 2023 17:03:18 GMT -5
I am with you Bill!
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Post by yoderjac on Aug 17, 2023 19:49:56 GMT -5
Buy one Build off of it Let us know the outcome For the difference I would choose a Mesa every time Why? I'd like to hear the pros and cons...
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Post by hillbill on Aug 17, 2023 21:04:41 GMT -5
Mesa has a fly cut bolt face ready made for modules, it also has the bolt stop moved forward to stop the bolt in the proper position. It has an integral recoil lug with a longer barrel tennon, field stripable bayonett firing pin assembly, all of which I doubt the other action has. to me it's worth at least 150 bucks more even if the new action is of the same quality which I would doubt.
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Post by jimbob on Aug 18, 2023 6:44:12 GMT -5
Mesa has a fly cut bolt face ready made for modules, it also has the bolt stop moved forward to stop the bolt in the proper position. It has an integral recoil lug with a longer barrel tennon, field stripable bayonett firing pin assembly, all of which I doubt the other action has. to me it's worth at least 150 bucks more even if the new action is of the same quality which I would doubt. And to add it’s probably a repeater and not a single shot with a solid bottom
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 18, 2023 16:57:19 GMT -5
Hey theres nothing wrong with shopping and shareing !!! The name of this thread is What would "I" do different isnt it ?? Maybe Mesa should offer a lighter action close in price to whats offered now ?? Thing is they dont . They dont even tell anybody its weight . It is a nice one no doubt but not all it could be for some of us . Bill theres room for everybody and lighter doesnt have to mean Bolt , a Scout or far lighter still a Woodman Patriot . I value Sews 40 light build a great deal . That rifle speaks for itself . Thres nothing wrong with trying to achieve very close to what he has on a budget friendly basis either in a bolt gun . That Weatherby is pretty dam nice for the money and weight if you even looked . Heck to even Find a An-Ti is impossible . To me Sews LW rifle IS the Ultimate build on here Period . My 40s "re-do" will be as close to that as possible thank you .
I agree the solid bottom is a nice strength feature if you got a log for a barrel . Not everyone is interested in that heavy a rifle . Ive filled 2 of my ADL stocks so i Could have a solid stronger foundation , 1 wood 1 carbon fiber Purposefully . That repeater action is kinda a non issue for me VS Weight with that M16 extractor . So is a aluminum mag plug as well not needed . So far weight wise for my stocks im ahead compared to what everybody else is doing or using .
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Post by jeepeater on Aug 18, 2023 18:16:28 GMT -5
I tend to agree the Mesa is the way with most SML builds. The fly cut bolt is the icing. Max Bros offers a ML action with the fly cut as well, and about the same price point, but it doesn’t have the integral lug, and I’m not crazy about the rear of their bolt. Defiance’s Outcast is definitely nice, and I had plans to do some builds using them, but they’ve gone off the reservation as far as I’m concerned with pricing and wait times over the last year. I’ll definitely be watching the Weatherby 307 though.
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Post by yoderjac on Aug 18, 2023 19:01:12 GMT -5
The compare and contrast is very informative for those who need educated like me.
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 18, 2023 19:57:20 GMT -5
I tend to agree the Mesa is the way with most SML builds. The fly cut bolt is the icing. Max Bros offers a ML action with the fly cut as well, and about the same price point, but it doesn’t have the integral lug, and I’m not crazy about the rear of their bolt. Defiance’s Outcast is definitely nice, and I had plans to do some builds using them, but they’ve gone off the reservation as far as I’m concerned with pricing and wait times over the last year. I’ll definitely be watching the Weatherby 307 though. I like the Mesa 75* bolt opening as well as the fly cut bolt . Those 2 things for me is its draw . The lug i have anyway . A bolt stop can be added to any of them simply .
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Post by buckeye68 on Aug 18, 2023 20:29:22 GMT -5
I tend to agree the Mesa is the way with most SML builds. The fly cut bolt is the icing. Max Bros offers a ML action with the fly cut as well, and about the same price point, but it doesn’t have the integral lug, and I’m not crazy about the rear of their bolt. Defiance’s Outcast is definitely nice, and I had plans to do some builds using them, but they’ve gone off the reservation as far as I’m concerned with pricing and wait times over the last year. I’ll definitely be watching the Weatherby 307 though. I like the Mesa 75* bolt opening as well as the fly cut bolt . Those 2 things for me is its draw . The lug i have anyway . A bolt stop can be added to any of them simply . But at what price tag?
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 18, 2023 20:47:48 GMT -5
The compare and contrast is very informative for those who need educated like me. Yoderjack im sorry , i tried . I wrote a novel in detail explaining everything and the internet lost signal and dropped & lost it TWICE . Maybe another can explain this to you . My patience is fried right now . I apologise .
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 18, 2023 20:55:21 GMT -5
I like the Mesa 75* bolt opening as well as the fly cut bolt . Those 2 things for me is its draw . The lug i have anyway . A bolt stop can be added to any of them simply . But at what price tag? I suppose just what the 307 can be found for has yet to be seen . Manufacters Suggested Retail Price is $750 if bought from Weatherby right now in stock . Anybody can read all about it on Weatherbys site same as me . The Mesa is $899 from them probably thru a FFL also and $900 From Hankins if he has any last i looked . im betting that Weatherby could possibly be found for alot less A threaded knurled thumb screw is practically nothing to add as a stop . Not fancy but it works to just rest against it with a lug . Easily done DIY or otherwise .
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Post by sew on Aug 18, 2023 21:45:41 GMT -5
The Ultralite 40 got quieter (hopefully) and longer. So did the CZ 22M semiauto. Each has a quick detach. The 40 also, has an external MB on the the Silenco suppressor. I have not shot either with the suppressors yet.
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 18, 2023 23:04:21 GMT -5
The Ultralite 40 got quieter (hopefully) and longer. So did the CZ 22M semiauto. Each has a quick detach. The 40 also, has an external MB on the the Silenco suppressor. I have not shot either with the suppressors yet. Good for you Sew !!! I hope you dont experiance the increased fouling i hear the cf guys complain about . You may have to play with loads some more to find one cleaner . I hope that frustration doesnt come visit you .
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Post by sew on Aug 19, 2023 6:58:09 GMT -5
I have been using H322/62g,253 Hammer, annealed, full sized, DI, 2760’/sec. I will be trying VV530 and see how that goes also.
To keep my bore as consistent as practical, I’ve run a wire brush in and out once between shots. That, with loading the full sized Hammers and using DI, makes the time between shots , likely, much longer than the norm. I’ll likely remove the suppressor between shots (quick detach) which will add one more step in the reloading process.
The rifle did gain a little more weight. However, I’ve tried to keep the weight as low as practical. I considered the ATACR 4x16, 42 and 50mm (30 & 33 oz, respectively), but ended up with the V Razor, 50 mm 3x15 at 20.5 oz with its very simple reticle. My hunting is slowly getting to be in my 80 acres of woods behind my house with houses in close proximity. Low noise is a fairly high priority. The suppressor, the large 460 mag version, with the external MB should help in this noise abatement, and the MB should help contain the noise around the rifle. Hearing protection will likely still need to be used; however, the sound of the shot should be much less in the distance.
The use of this suppressor with subsonic rounds on my bolt action 300 BO is pretty impressive.
This is a hunting rifle. Time between shots means very little to me.
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Post by Sideshow on Aug 23, 2023 2:15:14 GMT -5
Bugholes has a few of those Defiance Outcasts for $1150 in stock now . Beautifull as we see in Buckeye68s new build but i just Cant do that . The An-Ti is advertised for $1750 there WOW !!! I guess thats why its called Dreamin !!! Defiance is definately PROUD of their stuff !!!
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Post by scalloper on Dec 1, 2023 13:14:50 GMT -5
This is a great post. I started out with a Savage ML 1 over 20 years ago. I shot alot of deer in VA with that gun but I knew my limits and never pushed them. Then I had a chance to get a good buck for the Savage so I sold it and bought a Rem UML. I have shot a few deer and again I have been selective on my shots with 0 misses or lost. Now I am wanting a serious SML hunting rig that I can accurately shoot in hunting conditions out to 350 or possibly 400. I have three options: 1. Buy a prefit Remage .40 cal for my Rem UML $800+ 2. Send in my Rem UML for a full blown SML conversion $2,000+ 3. Send my Ruger #1 into Hank for a full .40 cal SLM conversion $ 4. 1+3 and get the wife a 2ed job and have 2 SML
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Post by buckeye68 on Dec 1, 2023 15:58:43 GMT -5
This is a great post. I started out with a Savage ML 1 over 20 years ago. I shot alot of deer in VA with that gun but I knew my limits and never pushed them. Then I had a chance to get a good buck for the Savage so I sold it and bought a Rem UML. I have shot a few deer and again I have been selective on my shots with 0 misses or lost. Now I am wanting a serious SML hunting rig that I can accurately shoot in hunting conditions out to 350 or possibly 400. I have three options: 1. Buy a prefit Remage .40 cal for my Rem UML $800+ 2. Send in my Rem UML for a full blown SML conversion $2,000+ 3. Send my Ruger #1 into Hank for a full .40 cal SLM conversion $ 4. 1+3 and get the wife a 2ed job and have 2 SML None of the above. Buy the Defiance Outcast action and build what you really want. You’ll be a happy camper after that. The action is a few more bucks than other muzzlerloader actions but the fit, finish and smoothness is above the others! I did a side by side comparison, they are awesome!
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