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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 3, 2016 14:12:27 GMT -5
Has anyone here with a .45 encore, apex, HR, break open sml, shot barnes 250 or 290 tez smooth formed? I would like to try these, but being solid copper, I don't know if they could be smoothed formed and shot over 55gr imr 4198.. thanks..
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Post by jims on Jan 3, 2016 14:19:55 GMT -5
I have shot the 290s out of a Douglas .45 barrel but they fit without any forming on a fouled barrel so that really would not help you much.
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Post by eml9 on Jan 3, 2016 16:36:23 GMT -5
Can't help answer your question directly, since I have a bolt gun but the 250 tez do shoot well with a straight charge of 4198 out of my mcgowen. A lot of people don't have much luck with obturation and Barnes over a straight charge, doesn't seem to be a issue with my mcgowen?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 20:36:43 GMT -5
Has anyone here with a .45 encore, apex, HR, break open sml, shot barnes 250 or 290 tez smooth formed? I would like to try these, but being solid copper, I don't know if they could be smoothed formed and shot over 55gr imr 4198.. thanks.. A couple of years ago on another forum a guy shot the 250 tez's well in his encore .45 custom...can't remember what load he was using though....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 20:49:07 GMT -5
I have a Douglas barrel on an H&R recv'r. I had trouble with the TEZ's but I'm almost positive that I didn't have them sized right and I also think they'd do better out of this barrel with a little duplex'ing. I know some do well with singles. Like a dummy I gave up on them before I could round up some decent booster, I mean some fast stuff like Blue Dot and hotter. I've got some Unique also. I sold the TEZ's to Richard so you can expect him to chime in any minute now....to gloat on such a good deal I gave him....LOL
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 9, 2016 19:43:56 GMT -5
A BIG thank you, to all for your replys, I'll just keep on experimenting with them!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 21:25:20 GMT -5
They really need a booster powder to perform well They DO NOT actually obturate. I have 2 250gr TEZ's that were shot back to back into water filled milk jugs at 2800 FPS. They both penetrated 7 jugs and stopped in the eigth. There is no groove from the lands, only a dark line. I believe they swell a couple of tenths when hit by the boosted charge but return to their normal diameter after leaving the barrel. I will bring them to the shoot
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 9, 2016 21:44:33 GMT -5
Thanks scat, the reason i asked was, my pac-nor is tight and I need to smooth size them, I thought I would size them, and then put a slight knurl to fit barrel..and see how they perform.. I would like to attend the shoot,don't know just yet.. were you using a encore, or another break open?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2016 22:31:38 GMT -5
25" Savage centerfire short action with Pacnor 25" barrel. Smooth sized only. I never knurl after sizing. I doubt that you could get them down the barrel if knurled after smooth sizing. My barrel is .4505 ID and they almost fit unsized but they fit well after running thru the smooth die on a low setting. The 290 TEZ is a couple of tenths smaller and it will take them unsized.
I have shot them in my H&R Ultrahunter but they weren't super accurate like the lead jacketed bullets it shoots well.
I have a black/blue H&R 45-70 conversion with williams fire sights that I use for woods hunting and I shoot the 250 TEZ in it unsized over a boosted load and a wool wad at around 2600 FPS.
BTW, most have found that they tend to shoot better smooth sized. Some guns just don't like them and others love them.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 10, 2016 13:41:04 GMT -5
thanks scat, i can't even start them in barrel without sizing them.. I have a encore/45-70 bullberry 28in barrel, H I S plug. what booster are you using? now I'm using straight 56 gr imr 4198..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 14:48:32 GMT -5
I use 10gr of imr sr4759 as the booster and 50 or 55 gr of H4198 depending on outdoor temps
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 10, 2016 14:54:10 GMT -5
thanks scat, I'll give it a try..
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Post by Richard on Jan 10, 2016 15:48:33 GMT -5
You could try UNDER sizing them......then knurl up slightly. This would give a better shot at getting into the rifling a little. (if you OVER knurl, then just size back down to what you need?) I have not had any luck with a single charge on the TEZ's but have shot some dynamite groups using a 10/60----Clays/H-4198 duplex. I shot them at the Kentucky Challenge last year and managed to place third with a lot of hard competition. As far as GLOATING over the ALLEGED deal on those bullets from Mr. Steve Rambler, "Not my fault he could not figure out how to make them shoot?"
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 10, 2016 16:19:25 GMT -5
richard, thank you, that's what I will do..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 16:20:05 GMT -5
You could try UNDER sizing them......then knurl up slightly. This would give a better shot at getting into the rifling a little. (if you OVER knurl, then just size back down to what you need?) I have not had any luck with a single charge on the TEZ's but have shot some dynamite groups using a 10/60----Clays/H-4198 duplex. I shot them at the Kentucky Challenge last year and managed to place third with a lot of hard competition. As far as GLOATING over the ALLEGED deal on those bullets from Mr. Steve Rambler, "Not my fault he could not figure out how to make them shoot?"Yeah, Yeah, Yeah......LOL
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 10, 2016 16:23:23 GMT -5
LOL, thanks guys!!
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Post by thunder53 on Jan 10, 2016 17:39:47 GMT -5
I have shot the 250 gr TEZs out of my Apex SML.
They go down my barrel without any sizing (lucky).
With a duplex load 10/48-50 of 4759/4198 this load is shooting MOA at 100 yds for me.
Took a buck with it this year quartering away at about 60 yds, hit just in front of diaphragm/behind near shoulder came out offside, base of neck.
Knocked him right off his feet, DRT.
I'm happy with this set up.
Also, the TEZs have performed pretty well for me & my hunting partner out of our "regular" ML's using BH209. 4 bucks between us in the last 2 years, 1 went 100 yds with a lung shot, the others dropped within 30 yds. Recovered 2 bullets and they were perfect mushrooms/flowers.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 10, 2016 20:31:32 GMT -5
thunder53, thank you for the info... are the tez all you shoot? how about meat damage, do they tear up alot meat.. I'm looking to try the tez, and get away from the sst's and the lead fragments in the meat.. i have to size the tez first, my barrel is tight.
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Post by thunder53 on Jan 10, 2016 21:06:59 GMT -5
thunder53, thank you for the info... are the tez all you shoot? how about meat damage, do they tear up alot meat.. I'm looking to try the tez, and get away from the sst's and the lead fragments in the meat.. i have to size the tez first, my barrel is tight. So far we haven't have any significant meat damage because most shots were front quarter shoulder/lungs. The buck I shot with the Apex/TEZ this year had a .45-.50 cal entry wound and about a 3/4-1" exit hole. It went through and out, not recovered. Upon field dressing is was easy to see significant internal damage and huge blood loss. If the deer had managed to run off, it wasn't going far. With his TC Encore & BH209 & 250 TEZ my partner shot a buck at 100 yds through the onside shoulder and the bullet lodged in the off shoulder. Recovered bullet and it was a picture perfect mushroom and dropped the deer in his tracks. Granted, the velocity wasn't what a SML will be, but for hunting, I've been pretty happy with the TEZ's so far. I've got good kills, decent blood trails, minimal meat damage and good accuracy. If I had to hunt with 250 gr TEZs the rest of my life, I'd be happy. With that said, I'll still continue to look at other bullets like the Parker MH, the Pittman Accumax and the BOMB. as it is our nature to always look for something better. Some other bullets show better paper accuracy, but my experience with the TEZ's is that they have PLENTY of hunting accuracy inside 250 yds.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 11, 2016 9:06:51 GMT -5
Thank you, Thunder53.. yes ,I will try other bullet choices, who knows, maybe the tez won't even shoot in my encore sml.. I really don't care for an explosive bullet, as we all know, it is alot work harvesting a deer, and even worst for me, is to see a bad shot and even a good hit with massive meat damage.. thanks for the info, and by the way, congrats to you and your partner on your harvests..
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