sqezer
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Post by sqezer on Nov 15, 2023 18:39:55 GMT -5
Wanting to know the best way to clean the primer modules.
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Post by yoderjac on Nov 16, 2023 7:49:11 GMT -5
I don't know if it is the best way, but I use an ultrasonic cleaner with solution for cleaning cases.
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Post by dennis on Nov 16, 2023 8:31:33 GMT -5
Right or wrong I only clean the primer pockets and have had no issues.
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Post by Deputy819 on Nov 16, 2023 16:09:02 GMT -5
Tagging in on this thread. Curious as to what others are seeing/doing. I’ve been shooting some of the same modules (without ANY cleaning) for nearly 2 years now and have not experienced any FTF’s or any negative consequences that I’m aware of.
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Post by ballistic on Nov 16, 2023 17:23:12 GMT -5
Tagging in on this thread. Curious as to what others are seeing/doing. I’ve been shooting some of the same modules (without ANY cleaning) for nearly 2 years now and have not experienced any FTF’s or any negative consequences that I’m aware of. On modules I use a brush (not cutter) to clean the pockets and ultrasonic clean them every other firing. The continuous use of a cutter wears the primer pockets out fast. I also set the breechplug in the ultrasonic after a few range sessions or 25 shots. For direct - I use a primer pocket cutter to clean after each firing. I have also incorporated using a .080 drill bit to clean up the flash channel. I also drill out the plug channel. Buildup is slow but it does build. I see lower deviation on speeds the cleaner everything is. Cleaner powders always leave less behind. Magnum primers leave more residue where the primer sits in the modules vs large rifle. Just my experience and my notes. |
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Post by yoderjac on Nov 16, 2023 18:20:39 GMT -5
Tagging in on this thread. Curious as to what others are seeing/doing. I’ve been shooting some of the same modules (without ANY cleaning) for nearly 2 years now and have not experienced any FTF’s or any negative consequences that I’m aware of. On modules I use a brush (not cutter) to clean the pockets and ultrasonic clean them every other firing. The continuous use of a cutter wears the primer pockets out fast. I also set the breechplug in the ultrasonic after a few range sessions or 25 shots. For direct - I use a primer pocket cutter to clean after each firing. I have also incorporated using a .080 drill bit to clean up the flash channel. I also drill out the plug channel. Buildup is slow but it does build. I see lower deviation on speeds the cleaner everything is. Cleaner powders always leave less behind. Magnum primers leave more residue where the primer sits in the modules vs large rifle. Just my experience and my notes. What brush do you use to clean the pockets? |
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Post by Deputy819 on Nov 16, 2023 19:05:44 GMT -5
ballistic“On modules I use a brush (not cutter) to clean the pockets and ultrasonic clean them every other firing. The continuous use of a cutter wears the primer pockets out fast. I also set the breechplug in the ultrasonic after a few range sessions or 25 shots.” Interesting! Guess I’ll have to ask Santa Claus for an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner for Christmas! 😉 Would hate to experience an “issue” in the middle of a match or while hunting. 👍
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Post by encore50a on Nov 16, 2023 19:23:12 GMT -5
Tagging in on this thread. Curious as to what others are seeing/doing. I’ve been shooting some of the same modules (without ANY cleaning) for nearly 2 years now and have not experienced any FTF’s or any negative consequences that I’m aware of. I've been shooting the same modules for 4 years. I've never cleaned them, short of cleaning the primer pockets. They are as good as the first time using them. Side note: Its been hot up here. I still haven't purchased a license. However, DUNAMIS is back!  |
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Post by ballistic on Nov 16, 2023 20:46:31 GMT -5
On modules I use a brush (not cutter) to clean the pockets and ultrasonic clean them every other firing. The continuous use of a cutter wears the primer pockets out fast. I also set the breechplug in the ultrasonic after a few range sessions or 25 shots. For direct - I use a primer pocket cutter to clean after each firing. I have also incorporated using a .080 drill bit to clean up the flash channel. I also drill out the plug channel. Buildup is slow but it does build. I see lower deviation on speeds the cleaner everything is. Cleaner powders always leave less behind. Magnum primers leave more residue where the primer sits in the modules vs large rifle. Just my experience and my notes. What brush do you use to clean the pockets? It’s the rcbs primer pocket brush. It gets what you need out -without compromising the side walls like a pocket cutter can. |
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sqezer
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Post by sqezer on Nov 16, 2023 21:40:05 GMT -5
Thanks for all the help, that's what I was asking about cleaning. |
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Post by buckeye68 on Nov 16, 2023 22:24:20 GMT -5
Side note: Its been hot up here. I still haven't purchased a license. However, DUNAMIS is back! DUMAMIS? Did you lose you dog or something? So what did you do with DUMAMIS? |
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Post by encore50a on Nov 17, 2023 7:21:07 GMT -5
Side note: Its been hot up here. I still haven't purchased a license. However, DUNAMIS is back! DUMAMIS? Did you lose you dog or something? So what did you do with DUMAMIS? DUNAMIS is the name of my rifle. I had been having trouble with rails coming loose, so I ordered a Harrell's FG in 40moa. It is just a little higher mount, so the rings I was using were too high. I replaced them with 1" Xtreme Duty Nightforce rings. |
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Post by Hank on Nov 17, 2023 8:18:02 GMT -5
I have never cleaned a module. I just re-prime and shoot. I would say I have some modules from my Cyclops gun that has been fired 10 times or more. Never had a FTF
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Post by yoderjac on Nov 17, 2023 14:24:41 GMT -5
Thanks! The ultrasonic cleaner does a pretty good job, but every now and then I get one where a brush would help. I just put one on order. Thanks again! |
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Post by Deputy819 on Nov 17, 2023 14:51:33 GMT -5
I have never cleaned a module. I just re-prime and shoot. I would say I have some modules from my Cyclops gun that has been fired 10 times or more. Never had a FTF Hard to argue with THAT & “the man” himself. Think I’ll just tell ‘Santa Claus’ to grab me a box of bullets instead of a jewelry cleaner. I mean obviously cleaning the modules can’t hurt anything, but concerning consistent ‘extreme spreads’ if all we’re talking about is a couple feet per second will cleaning modules matter enough to make a difference? Does the end justify the means? 🤔 |
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Post by shoop on Nov 17, 2023 19:33:29 GMT -5
I have never cleaned mine either, never even really gave it a thought , just repriime and go
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Post by smokelessk on Nov 18, 2023 7:43:52 GMT -5
I have never cleaned mine either, never even really gave it a thought , just repriime and go Yup, I don't worry about cleaning either. My bolt gun has about 300 rounds through it and I'm not going to be cleaning the modules anytime soon, if ever. |
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Post by ballistic on Nov 18, 2023 7:59:30 GMT -5
The residue/compounds that are left behind after firing a primer and/or gunpowder are corrosive (slightly) and attract/absorb moisture. Research this please. Could this lead to a FTF- and at the worst time such as freezing cold high humidity and that once in a lifetime buck pops out ?
As good as the the (excellent) HIS system is - we are opening the bolt and removing the module for traveling and safety. Even if the module wasn’t removed -moisture can make its way through the muzzle end. Warm vehicle to the cold stand introduces sweating even if the barrel is sealed.
If you haven’t experienced a fail to fire in rough conditions (running dirty components) your day might be coming…
Or your setup fired and you missed your animal. The trigger broke true and you can’t explain why…..
A weak spark can lead to slow velocities/ unburnt powder / hard to reload the next shot. And who’s running a labradar out hunting to verify this?
Maybe I’m the only one to experience this? I shoot a lot and test in super cold leaving my gun outside and then in the warm truck and back and forth.
Clean is peace of mind.
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Post by Deputy819 on Nov 18, 2023 9:15:04 GMT -5
ballistic said: “Warm vehicle to the cold stand introduces sweating even if the barrel is sealed.” I’ve never seen it in THAT order……only a cold rifle coming from a cold environment INTO a warm environment that causes condensation to form. 🤔 Depending on how cold the rifle is (during hunting season) I normally leave it outside (I live in a VERY rural area 😁) OR lock it up in one of my out-buildings until it gradually warms up to prevent what we’re talking about. Your post DEFINITELY has some merit, however. Surely at some point (no matter how hard you try to prevent it) some amount of moisture DOES eventually get inside the rifle, modules, etc and I can see how that might cause a problem.
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Post by ballistic on Nov 18, 2023 11:52:35 GMT -5
Deputy 819 said
I’ve never seen it in THAT order……only a cold rifle coming from a cold environment INTO a warm environment that causes condensation to form. 🤔
You are correct as I’ve only seen it when a freezing cold barrel is brought into a warm place as well with some exceptions.
There’s some situations where this can change and I believe it’s where the Dew Point sits. As humidity rises the difference in the warm vs cold is lowered.
Example :
Humidity is 90% and the air temp and your gun sits at 25 degrees. The dew point is 22.5 degrees or about 2.5 degrees less. You fire your gun and reload it and notice some thin frost on the barrel in a few spots. You measure your barrels temp and it sits at 27 degrees where the frost is at. As the barrel cools to 25 degrees the frost disappears. Although the warmth was coming from inside the barrel to the outside - dew (sweating) occurred. It’s the differences in the barrels temp vs the air so it can work both ways. This was noted by my own shooting in some really cold temps with high humidity. How many hunters are looking at frost on there barrels- not many ? I always record the barrels temp in 3 places in my notes and that’s why I saw it. And then seeing it disappear really threw a wrench in my thought process. So I spent some time researching “Dew Point”. And I’m not sure if I fully understand it yet -LOL !
At warmer temps we don’t see this but the dew/sweating is still occurring.
My notes tell me that when humidity is really high my speeds go down 20-30 fps on the slower powders - less on faster powders- when compared to low humidity.
How does this relate to dirty primer pockets and breechplugs ? The residue that’s left behind acts like a sponge for moisture. Increase the moisture of the primer (and it will probably still fire) and the flash will decrease. That could lead to a slower speed/ fouled barrel/ and worse if you are in the wrong conditions- a compounding affect. Keeping those components clean might add some extra time to your routine - but I believe it’s worth it.
Sorry for the long post.
We could revisit some old posts on humidity and dew point or start up another thread on it -if anyone’s interested ?
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