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Post by bmc1970 on Dec 24, 2019 10:45:48 GMT -5
Hello all newbie here..I'm wanting to get into the smokeless game...I found a new savage 10ml for sale local for $800/obo,my question is what's it worth and is it a good gun to hunt with..most shots are 150yds and under..
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Post by jims on Dec 24, 2019 11:00:07 GMT -5
I have seen them higher and lower depending on if it is a wood laminate stainless steel or a plastic black barrel. For those distances for deer mine have worked quite well. Not the most modern design now used but still deer capable with smokeless powder. I am assuming at this point it is the factory .50. Check it carefully to make sure pyrodex etc. if used was cleaned well so there is no stuck breech plug etc. I would have them take out the breechplug so one could inspect that and the barrel.
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Post by smokelessk on Dec 24, 2019 11:13:11 GMT -5
The Savage was a great gun, for it's day. I would not buy one ever again. For the money you are talking about you can get into a CVA conversion for very similar cost. Savage disowned their muzzleloader several years ago. The factory got rid of their parts stock and no longer will work on one, or even talk about the muzzleloader. Some people still work on them, but there are much better options available now in the SML world. I would advise those other options. Less headaches, similar upfront cost, and good gunsmiths who work on the other SML options.
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Post by bmc1970 on Dec 24, 2019 11:14:17 GMT -5
It's a gen 2 model black on black unfired,it was bought as a extra gun and never loaded or fired
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Post by GMB54-120 on Dec 24, 2019 11:19:41 GMT -5
$800 is high for that rifle. You can get the Rem700UML for that much and spend around another $175 to upgrade the ignition. It wont be smokeless but it can be later and with the upgraded ignition it will shoot almost as fast as Savage book loads. You would have a far better upgrade path for the future and much stronger too. Way way better aftermarket support.
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Post by dennis on Dec 24, 2019 12:00:25 GMT -5
I would buy a converted scout hands down. You can get one for the same money ready to go and won't suffer the headaches myself and many others have gone through with the ml2. A scout will be 300yd+ capable if you are. Give Hank a call he may have some on hand finished.
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Post by jims on Dec 24, 2019 12:25:54 GMT -5
It would be high for that combination. It would not have cost that new but since discontinued they have sold for more than the original price. As stated there now are better options but I still have a number of Sav MLIIs and they perform well for the distances you mentioned. Aftermarket breechplugs etc. are not hard to find.
The good thing is it would be clean and not abused, if still interested in the same it might give you some leverage on the price.
You will enjoy smokeless. The .50 generally will use sabots and .45 bullets, some of the others designs are generally .45 and can use sabots and .40 bullets or go bare with fitted .45 bullets but that could involve sizing dies and costs etc.
Again I am not handicapped with the MLII but depending on what you plan to do in the future you can make those choices.
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Post by buckeye68 on Dec 24, 2019 21:03:50 GMT -5
I wouldn’t think twice about it, run and don’t look back. They make a fine tomato stake, I’m still using it 6 years later.
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Post by jc189 on Dec 24, 2019 22:18:32 GMT -5
I shot a savage Ml10 II for almost 15 years. I have killed plenty of deer and pigs with it. I have never had a malfunction or problem with the gun. Mine shot 1.5" groups at 100 yds. with 42.5 - 43 grn's of imr 4759 and Hornady 250 grn SST'S. That being said, If I had to buy a sml today in that price range, I would buy the cva scout conversion. No sabots to mess with, more velocity, better accuracy. better ignition system. There have been a lot of improvements in spml's since the savage ML10 II entered the market back in 2001.
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Post by 10gaauto on Dec 25, 2019 21:13:05 GMT -5
Not worth that price, to me. I'd say 3 to 3.50 max. It is ok for a starter and I have a ML2 in 50 and another with upgraded 45 barrel. However I also have a 50 and 45 built on 700ML actions. Have gone almost exclusively to shooting my Bestill Omega/Brux 45. The biggest problem is the ML2 style ignition system. Even if you want to use 209 ignition a break action or drop block like system is best. The new conversions are great and you can use "module" or "DI" for ignition. As for a 50 cal, unless it is required by regulation where you hunt the 45 is way better. I have been a ML shooter since 1962 and then went smokeless 2007 and didn't look back. If I didn't use my ML2 guns and 700ML builds for instruction and to teach and for the grandkids I'd have them going away for $ to do another build. This reflects my experience and opinion, others will differ. Safe shooting, 10ga
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Post by floyd on Dec 26, 2019 4:03:44 GMT -5
I would be surprised to find d many for sale for 300 to 350. If you look on my broker they bring quite a bit more than that. Particularly when you consider the price of a custom gun, some folks can't afford the extra money. No argument about the superiority of the custom barreled guns but some folks don't have the extra cash.
Inside 250 to 300 yds the 10mlii is still an effective gun.
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Post by floyd on Dec 26, 2019 4:05:23 GMT -5
Gun broker not my broker. Sorry , these phones just say what they want.
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Post by 865mlkill on Dec 26, 2019 12:49:32 GMT -5
If your shots are going to be 150 and under, I would buy a CVA Scout or the Hunter off of Jeff. There ready to go straight from Jeff.
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Post by mike243 on Jan 12, 2020 12:56:42 GMT -5
I paid $600 for my cameo and blue 4-5 years ago and the 50 cal shoots great, I love it,will make it a 45 1 day
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 12, 2020 17:55:24 GMT -5
I got a SS model 10MLII with laminated stock not long after they came
out with AccuTrigger for $500. It shot so-so with book loads but was
never consistent with anything else. It now sports a .451 barrel and I
will never get rid of it. "O"-ring finally stopped blow-back leaks around
the primers.
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Post by SURESHOT on Jan 14, 2020 17:36:23 GMT -5
Have a couple friends that are going to put thier SML up for relocation,
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Post by sew on Jan 18, 2020 9:16:35 GMT -5
I have a laminated stocked 10ML2/40 PN, 26”, that has been bedded, third pillar, 1.5# SSS comp trigger. 209 ignition. This gun was made before the 1st 45 PN mod of a 10 ML2. For years I shot knurled 195Barnes, 200 SSTs and 240 (annealed) 40 cal bullets , all knurled. Shot around 3/4-1 MOA.
Recently got a Hank’s smooth sizing die and 225 AccuMax bullets. This is what it had been needing! Well sub-MOA, moderately low recoil, 2950’/sec 2 1/4” hi @100, 1 1/2” hi @ 200 and 5 1/2” low @ 300.
My barrel should be at the post office this morning, back from Richard, with a Hank’s tactical MB and with my BP bushing modified. Currently cost effective? No, of course not! Virtually all other options are better. But sometimes we can take a previously state of the art gun, that is now very outdated , and recoup some of our “investment “. I think it was worth spending a little more money on this gun to maximize its potential. Next week, it’ll have the new Sightron 3, 6x24 zero return and lighted reticle scope on it; and hopefully , it’ll become sub-1/2 MOA.
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Post by hillbill on Jan 18, 2020 10:05:33 GMT -5
you will like that scope and your ole reliable Savage should have a new lease on life.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 18, 2020 11:38:19 GMT -5
Good idea Steve. After I had a barrel problem several years ago and changed breech plugs . Making for a shorter shank than I was happy with. I now have my barrel shank's made to 1.250 for 8". This will allow for any "re chambering" incase there are ever any ignition system upgrades. Which I highly doubt there will ever be anything better than what we have available now.
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Post by herman on Feb 5, 2020 7:04:55 GMT -5
I think it was 2000 I bought my firdt savage 10ml.Was the first one around here that had one.The only way I got any help was e mailing 1-shot back and forth.
I tried every load save gave with no success.Decided one day to try some pyrodex and it came alive getting one hole groups at 100 yds.
We finally figured out something was wrong with the barrel.
Soon as the ML11 came out I sold it and got one.ended up with 5 counting ML10.
I have put thousand of rounds down range from a 100 to 300 yds.Have set up many or helped others to set theirs up.
The only one I have now is one I put a pac-nor 45 barrel on.
Don't know how many rounds you shoot but if you shoot enough you will wear parts out.This one is on it 3rd bolt nose( that holds the primmer)the second pin that goes in the bolt and the second bolt handle..
Speaking for myself I wouldn't give 50 bucks for one now because the way they did their customers.The last time I called about a part the lady said they had no parts and wasn't allowed to even talk about muzzleloaders.
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