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Post by bestill458 on Jan 3, 2019 21:45:00 GMT -5
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Post by hillbill on Jan 3, 2019 22:01:08 GMT -5
Good honest video Jeff. A lot of new guys need to pay close attention to this, us old farts too. Long range with these guns is a science, just because the gun is capable of getting it done does not mean it will get done, a LOT goes into making a clean kill at extended range.
You are one of the few that has done it past 500, I stand behind you 100%. It is not for most of us here to try, I doubt I ever will, my hat's off to you for being transparent.
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Post by Ice on Jan 3, 2019 22:19:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the full transparency in the video. The amount of work that goes into a successful harvest of an animal is often overlooked. You certainly have a respect for the creation and harvest that many lack.
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Post by joelmoney on Jan 3, 2019 22:51:30 GMT -5
Great video Jeff.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2019 0:14:37 GMT -5
Cool video...the big doe must have moved on the shot..at 740yds flight time does make a difference...You do your homework and plan your shots with hard data...and you are a well documented damn good shot,so Bravo to you,keep it up my friend and God Bless.....
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Post by herman on Jan 4, 2019 6:06:53 GMT -5
Very good video,thanks for sharing.
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Post by educatedidiot on Jan 4, 2019 6:53:41 GMT -5
It can happen at any range. I shot a buck uphill aiming for the chest but he lowered his head as I shot and the bullet entered the eye socket.
Shot a doe with a bow at 40 yards that ended up a gut shot.
Thanks for the reminder that we are shooting moving objects and that the shot is not a bolt of lightning.
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Post by Richard on Jan 4, 2019 8:58:27 GMT -5
Jeff: Excellent video! As a long range competitor myself, EVERYTHING in your presentation was spot on! I commend you for putting together the video. I personally put a lot of stuff on Hanks, particularly for new members that show up and get the impression that if they have yourself or Hank build a super accurate muzzle loader, that they can go out and make these EXtra long range shots. I have included an excerpt from my last thread which somewhat mirrors what you presented in the video (with the exception of the deer moving but a valid point). While I am not actively hunting anymore (been there, done that) as a competitive shooter (1K for eight years and now 600 yards) I know what it takes to make long shots with very precise equipment on a stationary target with a bullseye?...........Let along an irregular shaped animal under field conditions so Thank You for presenting a REAL WORLD video and not some of the contrived You Tube garbage out there! Hope to see you again up in Kentucky!
Below is an excerpt from my last thread:
The fact is, the further the distance the more possibility of aiming and "conditions" error occur. So yes, the closer the ES, the better the possibility of a tighter group. The object is to construct the best loads and loading pressure with the best bullets, best rest, best barrel, best scope, best trigger, best conditions etc., etc. in order to obtain the best groups! Doing this in the FIELD is very hard, that is why LONG shots that you make on paper are harder to duplicate under hunting conditions. Richard
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Post by dennis on Jan 4, 2019 9:21:20 GMT -5
Great video and information,Thanks for posting.
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Post by eml9 on Jan 4, 2019 10:11:19 GMT -5
Awesome video man ... that would be a good video to pin as a reminder for what all goes into shooting long range for people like me on this forum and new members ... we owe it to the animal ... shows just how important it is to shoot temp insensitive powder if you plan on shooting long range. Do you plan on taking another deer in the same setup and situation on your farm ?
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Post by schunter on Jan 4, 2019 10:40:36 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing Jeff. Excellent video and your honesty is much appreciated. I made my longest kill shot on a doe last week of 457 yards with my 6.5 Creedmoor. I did not hit my point of aim exactly. I was a little high and a little farther back but still did dropped her in her tracks. I had ranged her several times at just under 500 yards but it took me a while to finally get the shot I wanted and she and the other deer had moved closer. The shot was on a power line and many small tress and bushes that were in the way made ranging and being able to tell exactly where they were more difficult. There was no wind that afternoon so I didn't have to compensate for that. I had shot this gun and loads many times at this distance and had a great rest. Still with all that I didn't make the best shot. 740 yards is way past that and with a muzzleloader!
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Post by bestill458 on Jan 4, 2019 11:10:06 GMT -5
Awesome video man ... that would be a good video to pin as a reminder for what all goes into shooting long range for people like me on this forum and new members ... we owe it to the animal ... shows just how important it is to shoot temp insensitive powder if you plan on shooting long range. Do you plan on taking another deer in the same setup and situation on your farm ? Thanks No i think my long range harvesting is complete. I had a goal and i believe I pushed my ethical limits. I am going to build a mobile steel deer silhouette to test first shot kills at long range to learn from.
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Post by leftyml on Jan 4, 2019 11:47:37 GMT -5
Great video Jeff,thanks for sharing all the info.A lot of hunters do not know what goes into making a long range shot.You surely do.
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Post by jimbob on Jan 4, 2019 13:34:11 GMT -5
Great video thanks for sharing a true testament of what it takes to make a shot at those distances
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Post by wil on Jan 4, 2019 16:40:47 GMT -5
Mr.Jeff thank you for your honest remarks. I watched it on your Facebook page originally. I believe your video applies to all rifles and sml. You have to be honest with ones self and keep shots as ethical as possible.
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Post by Kyle on Jan 4, 2019 18:44:50 GMT -5
You did the right thing doing what was necessary to recover the deer.
The same thing that happened on this shot at 740 yards with the smokeless muzzleloader could have happened with a bow shot at 25 yards. Many bow hunters set pins out to 40 yards and beyond. Just because a muzzleloader, bow, crossbow is capable of making an extended range shot doesn’t mean that someone should. It takes extreme practice and dedication.
If a hunter practices a shot on paper at the range, can accurately and regularly make that shot under the same conditions he / she would encounter in the field, then I personally would consider the shot to be an ethical shot. If the range time was not invested, then not. I have no doubt that the hours necessary and beyond have been spent at the range by Jeff.
No sportsman gets joy from making a bad shot on a game animal. I’d say very few if any have recovered all game that was hit. If they have they probably have not hunted for very long.
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Post by aldeerhunter on Jan 4, 2019 19:22:36 GMT -5
Great post. 740 yards is a long ways. Thanks for laying out how much is involved in ethically attempting to harvest game at such a distance. Even when you do your due diligence, s**t can still happen.
Kudos for taking the time and doing the work to finish the task. My hat is off to you for that. The same thing could have happened at 200 yards. It is part of hunting. Tracking the animal and dealing with the situation is what separates the wheat from the chaff.
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Post by dylan26ofde on Jan 4, 2019 19:26:16 GMT -5
Awsome video Jeff. Your situation was compared to mine for many years. I've never shot long range as we here only used shotguns, black powder, and archery. Once I and another friend of mine received our builds, our long range shooting expedition started. Only range we have is 600 yards at our gun range and i come to the realization, it's not easy. I've had my great luck days at shooting that distance between different temperatures and my bad days but am I ready to take a shot at a deer at that distance 100% confidently, absolutely not. My comfort zone with my rig is 300 yards and under, more shooting and more homework, then my opportunity may come. You shared a great honest video and thought I'd share my honesty back. I sure gained from your video. I've been in those shoes walking up to a deer badly wounded from a poor shot from myself and others that I've helped track and had to put them out of their misery. Your not the only one Jeff. Thanks again Jeff
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 4, 2019 20:05:24 GMT -5
Great video Jeff,very true and honest information, thank you for sharing!
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Post by doug136 on Jan 4, 2019 23:38:07 GMT -5
Excellent video and very much appreciate your honesty. Well done my friend.
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