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Post by doug136 on Jan 4, 2019 23:54:42 GMT -5
Jeff could of very easily just showed the first small doe he shot at the same distance. I just can not say enough for Jeffs honesty so that all hunters know what could happen at that distance
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Post by Hank on Jan 5, 2019 19:13:37 GMT -5
Good video and some good information as to what can happen when shooting very long range. When setting yourself up for long shots it is critical that you practice your shots, as much as possible. For the most part, my longest shots are a max of 444 yards and that to me is an easy shot, but add 300 yards to that and things will change quite a bit. That extra 300 yards gives a lot of room for things to go wrong, wind, and the fact that the deer can move several feet during the flight time of the bullet are just two factors you have to consider when shooting long range. Had I been set up just as Jeff Fisk was looking at the deer at 740 yards, knowing I had practiced the shot several times, I would have taken the shot. There is never a 100% guarantee that your shot will connect perfectly, and that's a chance you have to be willing to take if you want to shoot very long range. When shooting game and doing so to recover it so that you can fill your freezer you want to make sure you make a good clean kill shot, sometimes things don't always go as you plan. I have lost two good bucks in my hunting career and neither one of those deer should have been lost, but things just didn't go as planned. One was an archery shot at 20 yards, shot high in the back and lost him, the other was a rifle shot (300 win mag) at 150 yards, still don't know what happened with that one but never did find the deer. So as hunters we have to be prepared to loose an animal now and then, we never want to loose one, but its going to happen sooner or later. As Jeff Fisk said, he could have set up and shot those deer at 200 yards any given day of the week, but we like to push our limits, I know I do, I can set up to shoot them at 200 yards, but I like to shoot farther than that. 450-500 yards is a fun shot. We build guns that can shoot way, way out there, what are the limits, that is up to the guy pulling the trigger. All in all long range hunting is a fun sport, practice your shots, do your home work, and make the best shot you possibly can. Not every shot will be perfect........
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Post by joelmoney on Jan 5, 2019 22:21:55 GMT -5
Mr. Frisk I have thought a lot about the complete response to your video. You certainly have the proficiency to make that shot and proved it. Personally I certainly do not have the skills to shoot that distance. I think you did everything correct. In your mind when you took both of those shots you did everything 100% correct. I cannot imagine the amount of time went into having the confidence in attempting those shots. Yes something went wrong on one of those shots. Something that sets you apart from many others is you were willing to share that thing with all of us and risk ridicule so others hopefully would not make the same mistake. For that my hats off to you! I have had similar results with what I have thought were chip shots. I might have even missed a standing deer at under 50 yards with high powered rifle. Things can happen but I think as sportsman we try only taking shots that result in humane kills. When that quick humane kill dose not happen we follow up with all of our resources.
Thanks again for sharing. I know I want to extend my personal shooting range. Now you have thrown another factor in for me to think about. Where is that animal going to be when my bullet gets there.
My opinion probably doesn’t matter much but I think that was some great shooting. Your video did the SML world a service. Thanks Mr Frisk!
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Post by elkman1310 on Jan 6, 2019 11:39:04 GMT -5
Very nice video. As a long range hunter and competitive shooter for almost 40 years things like that can and will happen. I have pushed what I think is the extreme limits of a long range muzzleloader to 1,000 yards only for accuracy tests not for hunting purposes. With a good accurate muzzleloader and all the equipment that is needed you can stretch your gun out to say 800 yards but conditions need to be perfect and your rest has to be rock solid. Muzzleloaders are really terrible in the wind past 400 yards. Take a good look at a drop chart past 500 yards if your yardage is off by more than 10 yards you will hit high or low on the deer and if your off by 20 yards it will be a clean miss. Also as Jeff experienced time of flight will cause more problems then a 10 mph wind
The one thing that we have never done is hunt alone when long range hunting this is not a one man operation when trying to be successful and making clean humane kills at long distance. I have always told people that just because we get to see deer when we go long range hunting that doesn't mean we get to kill any. You cannot shoot at any game animal if its walking or if its going to take a step you need to understand the habits of the game your hunting that is one reason why we always have a couple of guys in the glasses at all times watching what the deer is doing and going to do before we take a shot. I do not hunt long range with a muzzleloader we use heavy long range center fire rifles designed for extreme long range shooting that can be reloaded quickly if you need to get a second shot off quickly.
A muzzleloader cannot be reloaded and keep the animal in your scope if a follow up shot is needed.
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Post by paleface45 on Jan 10, 2019 9:31:40 GMT -5
When you stretch the limits like that, small changes make a big difference. For most of us we need to stick to ranges we can shoot reliably. You really opened my eyes when you showed the difference between 'summer' and 'winter' charges and resulting points of impact! Also knowing your range very accurately as even 20 yards at long range can make a big change. Then the animal can move in that fraction of a second....... I am a bowhunter and have realized this at our 'short' ranges, never giving it too much thought in smokeless muzzleloading. I normally only have shots under 250 yd. so will stick to paper for long range! Anyway thanks for the input- you have done a lot of work, also Richard, in opening our eyes!
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Post by rickh on Jan 11, 2019 16:09:06 GMT -5
Jeff, Thank you. Excellent video. Very new to the SML game. I have extended my range in hunting situations but modestly and very cautiously. Always good to learn from those who have done it and are willing to share their results- all of their results. Thank you.
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