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Post by Hank on Aug 17, 2017 20:10:34 GMT -5
I can't remember the date I joined the other board and introduced my ignition system but I think it was in 2013. It was the laughing stock of that board for a very long time, even after I did all their test and shot groups that no one could believe. Shot bullets that would almost fall down the barrel with great ignition and great accuracy, shot in - 4 degrees, and soaked my rifle down with a high pressure water hose, I still had those that said the LRMP system was inferior. It lead to battles between my self and some other head strong members on that board. It even went as far as them calling me names,,, and some pretty bad names they were, Those guys over there could not beat me so they banned me.. But now look at how far we have come since those days not so very long ago.
Something I noticed at this last Kentucky Challenge was,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "NO ONE WAS SHOOTING 209 PRIMERS"............... At the first shoot the majority of shooters had 209 systems, it has steadily be swinging over to LRMP systems from the very first shoot. Now seven shoots and three years later everyone is shooting LRMP systems. I do believe all but three shooters were using a Hankins Ignition system, We had two shooters using the new Hankins DIS (Designed and tested by Hammer) and the remaining shooters were shooting the HIS. (Hankins Ignition System)
Even those guys on that other board that ridiculed and criticized my system years ago are now either shooting a LRMP system or making one that is like mine and selling it as a "Patent Pending" Gen 2 system. Those guys that teamed up against me and voted to ban me from that board are now the same guys shooting LRMP systems.
It just goes to show that over time things evolve, we have went from flints, to caps to shot gun primers and now we are leaning towards LARGE RIFLE MAGNUM PRIMERS for consistent ignition in all temperatures, with every kind of powder you would want to shoot in a smokeless muzzle loader. Every custom builder out there is now building their rifles to use LRMP's. It just makes sense to use a primer designed to ignite large volumes of rifle powder instead of a primer designed to ignite small amounts of fast burning powders.....
This board sprung up because of the hard headedness of some and the willingness of others to look past what we use to do and work together for a better solution. I believe we on Hank's Board have found the better solution, and the willingness we have to work together as a team to better our sport will forever put us at the front in smokeless muzzle loading advancements.
Thanks to all of you for the support you give to Hanks Message Board. Without you all we would not be what we are today..
THE TIDES HAVE TURNED...........................
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Post by nyhunter on Aug 17, 2017 20:46:11 GMT -5
Thanks for all the hard work, research and development you have put into all of this.
I have witnessed and achieved things in muzzle-loading that a short while ago I would have not though possible.
It's great to see members contributing their ideas, knowledge and options to help support one another and their passion for this sport.
So once again thank you for creating this board, the Kentucky Challenge and supporting the members.
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Post by Richard on Aug 17, 2017 20:47:32 GMT -5
Amen brother!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 20:55:51 GMT -5
And now we have the Direct Ignition system in the offing, looking more promising every day.
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Post by Kyle on Aug 17, 2017 21:08:15 GMT -5
I have never owned a 209 Ignition smokeless muzzleloader. I have seen many at the shoots with sticking primers, some even requiring tools such as needle nose pliers to remove stuck primers. On the other hand I have seen some 209 guns that seem to have worked quite well on spent primer extraction.
At this past shoot a couple of shooters seemed to have issues with a cloned Ignition system using modules resembling the HIS. I think these were the only 2 shooters using that system, but not for sure. Maybe those shooters would share with the board what was happening?
The HIS module system is very easy to use, provides instant Ignition in extreme cold and heat. Keep your action clean, don't use too much grease on the plug threads and you're good to go. I'm not surprised that so many people have switched to or added LRMP Ignition to their muzzleloaders. The HIS system and the direct ignition system seem to be on the cutting edge of muzzleloading. Jeff and Phil have made some great advancements for muzzleloading. I'm sure more will come from this board as time goes on.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 21:22:01 GMT -5
"NO ONE WAS SHOOTING 209 PRIMERS"............... At the first shoot the majority of shooters had 209 systems, it has steadily be swinging over to LRMP systems from the very first shoot. Now seven shoots and three years later everyone is shooting LRMP systems. Thanks to all of you for the support you give to Hanks Message Board. Without you all we would not be what we are today.. THE TIDES HAVE TURNED........................... Yes how things have changed throughout the 3yrs......WoW.....
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Post by deadeyedon89 on Aug 17, 2017 23:11:18 GMT -5
I have not been able to find ANYTHING that comes close to the HIS system. I have shot many different ignition systems over the last 25 yrs. Keep up the great work and products Hank...... "Copied by many.....Duplicated by none"!!!
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Post by deadeye on Aug 18, 2017 6:44:21 GMT -5
Mr. Hankins definitely fixed the leak which I am grateful for. yeah have not had to get the air compressor out for almost 4yrs!!!!
never a hang or misfire even after cleaning the barrel. I know I could up the load performance by converting to DI but believe it or not my bench guns were built for hunting. HIS serves this very well so I cannot see myself converting to anything else but I will still keep a open mind.
I came to this board because I wanted to as a simple invitation was accepted.
DE
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Post by schunter on Aug 18, 2017 6:47:59 GMT -5
Yes they have turned. Funny how things turn out. I love my HIS ignition. Cant wait to try my DI plug as well. Thanks Jeff and Phil!
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Post by jimbob on Aug 18, 2017 7:39:52 GMT -5
Thanks for all the hard work, research and development you have put into all of this. I have witnessed and achieved things in muzzle-loading that a short while ago I would have not though possible. It's great to see members contributing their ideas, knowledge and options to help support one another and their passion for this sport. So once again thank you for creating this board, the Kentucky Challenge and supporting the members. +1
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Post by doug136 on Aug 18, 2017 9:48:47 GMT -5
Cant find a better group of guys . Sure seems like cutting edge stuff .
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Post by nick50471 on Aug 18, 2017 10:02:06 GMT -5
Competition drives the soul. Unfortunately competition is rarely civil but it drives individuals to perform better. Hank you are a pioneer and have pushed the envelope farther than anyone could have imagined. Bravo. Keep in mind that without the other board and naysayers your motivation might have been different.
Also...I am a guy that shoots a rifle built by ASG. It's a great rifle and I love it. The point I'd like to make is that the two boards have both evolved into "Love Fests". I personally can't stand Brand Loyalty. Ford/Chevy/Dodge, Miller/Lincoln, Remington/Winchester. I choose Luke for the simple reason that he is 140 miles away not 600.
You have certainly made your mark and I will always keep watching to see what you do next. I may not be a customer but you will always have my respect.
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Post by dannoboone on Aug 18, 2017 10:12:28 GMT -5
Competition drives the soul. Unfortunately competition is rarely civil but it drives individuals to perform better. Hank you are a pioneer and have pushed the envelope farther than anyone could have imagined. Bravo. You have certainly made your mark and I will always keep watching to see what you do next. I may not be a customer but you will always have my respect. My sentiments exactly.
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Post by mooseman on Aug 19, 2017 6:43:41 GMT -5
I am proud to say from the very first day, I supported your efforts, and said so on Dougs. Some folks are slow to change. I still watch your old video.s and marvel. how a loose fitting bullet can fire in a MZ, Oh to be ten years younger, a lad of 74.
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Post by nyhunter on Aug 19, 2017 8:18:09 GMT -5
Competition drives the soul. Unfortunately competition is rarely civil but it drives individuals to perform better. Hank you are a pioneer and have pushed the envelope farther than anyone could have imagined. Bravo. Keep in mind that without the other board and naysayers your motivation might have been different. Also...I am a guy that shoots a rifle built by ASG. It's a great rifle and I love it. The point I'd like to make is that the two boards have both evolved into "Love Fests". I personally can't stand Brand Loyalty. Ford/Chevy/Dodge, Miller/Lincoln, Remington/Winchester. I choose Luke for the simple reason that he is 140 miles away not 600. You have certainly made your mark and I will always keep watching to see what you do next. I may not be a customer but you will always have my respect. Well said Nick, there is room for everyone. "Ford/Chevy/Dodge, Miller/Lincoln, Remington/Winchester" / if it works - it works !!! I myself do visit Doug's and there are a great deal of members that seem to be very skilled and passionate in SML's. Would be nice to see both boards work together to further the sport. In the end were all just a group of people with a common interest and love for the sport. !!!
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Post by hillbill on Aug 19, 2017 10:27:10 GMT -5
I shoot what works, Plain and simple.
The whole reason I went to shoot with Jeff at the first Challenge? To see what he had and how well it performed. bottom line? Overall his ignition is the best system out there for a .45 SML. I talked with Luke and many others about it before this board started and I think the general consensus in the end has proven out.
But let's not throw the baby out with the bath water, I have and still shoot 209 guns, do they work? obviously they do and always will. do they work well? They can work great if properly done. they have proven themselves at the Challenge, have they won? No but shot pretty well with several in the top 5. there is something to be said for the simplicity of the 209 primer, is it optimal? no but it works and works well in the hands of a good builder.
So what is the big difference? If one wants more velocity over a 209 the LMRP will get you there by about 80 FPS on avg with big loads and with the HIS it's plug and play, want more still? Direct will get you about 100 FPS more on AVG over the HIS BUT you have to deal with screwing the modules in and out which some see as a detriment. For me it's a no brainer in a break action to go with DI, Why? easy access to the plug and the extractor is eliminated. I am running it in both break actions and really like it but again, only one opinion, the HIS module or 209 is easier to get in and out so you decide.
I got a DI plug from Jeff as a HIS replacement and plan to use it soon in a bolt gun, why? to explore for myself the difference in speeds and ES. Jeff's DI plug is a direct interchange so it's easy to switch between the two.
As has been stated already, there is room for any and all priming systems, run what you like, as you can see I shoot 209s, HIS and DI, I see merits in all three systems, which one is best for you? you will need to decide.
I think as far as the division between the two boards? it's a shame it got to where it is but let's not make things worse by beating dust out of the rug. I am where I feel comfortable but have no hard feelings toward the guys over there, let's all meet center field and play ball like men.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Aug 19, 2017 11:19:15 GMT -5
as far as the division between the two boards? it's a shame it got to where it is but let's not make things worse by beating dust out of the rug. I am where I feel comfortable but have no hard feelings toward the guys over there, let's all meet center field and play ball like men. [/quote]
I believe this is very well put Bill. Drop
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Post by Richard on Aug 19, 2017 12:55:00 GMT -5
Yup! All three ignition systems work. (I have them all) You just have to understand each of them and accuracy can be equal.
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Post by YankeeReb on Aug 21, 2017 8:17:11 GMT -5
Hank said: {Even those guys on that other board that ridiculed and criticized my system years ago are now either shooting a LRMP system or making one that is like mine and selling it as a "Patent Pending" Gen 2 system.} I wondered for a long time if you noticed the patent pending thing. Did you know if true he will have a patent with a minor modification on your invention and what the repercussions of that might be ?
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Post by doug136 on Aug 21, 2017 8:45:45 GMT -5
From what i saw i dont think they want to patent anything yet .
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