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Post by Kyle on Apr 15, 2016 9:49:56 GMT -5
I'm not a Bible scholar by any means and fall short each and every day, but I'd like to encourage everyone to read Matthew 6: 1-2. and share your thoughts as you see fit.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 12:37:56 GMT -5
I'm not a bible scholar by any means and fall short each and every day, but I'd like to encourage everyone to read Matthew 6: 1-2. and share your thoughts as you see fit. My life story (@ the age of 38) is already a long one and I won't write a book on it either. I struggle day to day with allot of my choices and feel that there is no way I can be an example for God's work. Boastful--hmm, I hope I am not however I'm sure I struggle in this as well. It's only through God's grace and mercy that we can even have a chance to live the way he intended us to live. (I struggle with God's grace as well, I feel I don't deserve it for all the bad things I've done and continue to do.) May God continue to support us and guide is to be humble.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Apr 15, 2016 14:20:19 GMT -5
Silence is Golden
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 16:52:29 GMT -5
Pure motives are what is in question in these verses...Is doing good, or looking good, at the root of what we do?... Jesus knew that we would struggle big time in these areas. Every man's heart is bent toward being the bigshot if left to his own desires...Read through verse 6...It's all in the same context and helps clarify the point Jesus is making...It's actually a rebuke of the self righteous, glory seeking, religious leaders of His day....Don't be like them..... Try doing something good for somebody, giving money or such without letting anyone know it was you who did it or gave it....It's a little tougher that way...It's only by the Grace of God working in us that will make it possible.. Thanks for the thought....Zen
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Post by Richard on Apr 15, 2016 20:18:00 GMT -5
OK, so here are my thoughts and analysis if you care to hear them? I know who this post is about and probably a number of others who still peruse the "other forum" also know. I believe the person in question has posted some pretty good shooting results and seems to be an honorable person. Can't say that about some of the other cronies but I see where he was coming from on his post. He was and I guess others were getting their nuts busted over "cherry picking" groups to post.....you know, those "wallet groups" you shoot every once in a while and profess that is what your gun is capable of! So, being confident of his ability and his gun, he decided to prove to himself and the members that a multi shot one hole group could be shot. Now we have to believe that he and those allegedly present when he shot the groups, are honest/trustworthy people to vouch for his shooting. He apparently cherry picked the time and conditions he did his shooting so the elements were not a factor. We also do not know if in fact, 25 shots went thru that hole? I would be a simple matter once a nice hole is made to start shooting over the target? Hey, it could be done and no one would be the wiser. I would also bet that if the shooting was done during competition with points or money on the line and twenty other shooters there, that the results might be different. (For those unfamiliar with registered IBS/NBRSA short range benchrest GROUP shooting at 100, 200 and 300 yards, there MUST be a moving backer behind the targets to register every shot)(a mechanical set up that holds a replaceable cardboard and moves at a very slow pace) (usually about 3 or 4 feet behind the targets.) In this case there was none so it is up to the integrity of the shooter himself and I would like to believe he in fact did shoot those shots. Boasting? Sure to some extent, but shutting up the naysayers...........? I think he did that! It was mentioned that posting bad loads and groups was a waste of time? I do? Why? To illustrate loads or combinations people might want to avoid? Plus, the sheet I post goes in my book for my own reference and it gets too much to "cherry pick" the good ones and make a separate sheet! It combines the good, the bad and the ugly!!!! Man....................By this time next week we will be eating and drinking some brew........(after the range is cold) If you make it to Kentucky!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 20:47:03 GMT -5
Wow Richard.....Guess I didn't expect to hear all that from you....Assigning motives to actions of others is risky business....gotten me in trouble too many times.... Thought I was talking about Jesus....guess I was wrong.... No more post for me Zen
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Post by bestill458 on Apr 15, 2016 20:52:11 GMT -5
I'm not a Bible scholar by any means and fall short each and every day, but I'd like to encourage everyone to read Matthew 6: 1-2. and share your thoughts as you see fit. I believe it comes down to a heart issue are you doing something for your glory or to truly help others and let god get the glory.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 21:09:06 GMT -5
As a general rule I don't participate in political or philosophical issues or opinions in that regard but on the topic of selflessness and being humble I'd like to give my 2 cents worth about a guy I think exemplifies those attributes and that's airborneike. This guy has helped me out to no end with no expectations other than gratitude even when offered. He's done other work for me and the fee was nominal. To describe him as an unsung hero would be an understatement. No boasting outta this guy.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 21:23:14 GMT -5
I can't add anything intelligent to that!
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Post by Richard on Apr 15, 2016 22:35:04 GMT -5
No, I did not call (I never used any name)anyone a liar.........As a matter of fact said I thought he was one of the good guys. I am sure, he would not have shot the group and the weather been winds so on that aspect, I would say it was cherry picked.........nothing wrong with that. The moving backer thing at a benchrest match is just to keep everyone honest since one ragged hole groups are the norm and it would be easy to let one sail over the target if there was not a moving backer. Thats all. And I did say I did not think he was boasting but trying to shut up some of the naysayers.
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Post by Hank on Apr 17, 2016 13:15:09 GMT -5
OK, so here are my thoughts and analysis if you care to hear them? I know who this post is about and probably a number of others who still peruse the "other forum" also know. I believe the person in question has posted some pretty good shooting results and seems to be an honorable person. Can't say that about some of the other cronies but I see where he was coming from on his post. He was and I guess others were getting their nuts busted over "cherry picking" groups to post.....you know, those "wallet groups" you shoot every once in a while and profess that is what your gun is capable of! So, being confident of his ability and his gun, he decided to prove to himself and the members that a multi shot one hole group could be shot. Now we have to believe that he and those allegedly present when he shot the groups, are honest/trustworthy people to vouch for his shooting.He apparently cherry picked the time and conditions he did his shooting so the elements were not a factor. We also do not know if in fact, 25 shots went thru that hole? I would be a simple matter once a nice hole is made to start shooting over the target? Hey, it could be done and no one would be the wiser. I would also bet that if the shooting was done during competition with points or money on the line and twenty other shooters there, that the results might be different. (For those unfamiliar with registered IBS/NBRSA short range benchrest GROUP shooting at 100, 200 and 300 yards, there MUST be a moving backer behind the targets to register every shot)(a mechanical set up that holds a replaceable cardboard and moves at a very slow pace) (usually about 3 or 4 feet behind the targets.) In this case there was none so it is up to the integrity of the shooter himself and I would like to believe he in fact did shoot those shots. Boasting? Sure to some extent, but shutting up the naysayers...........? I think he did that! It was mentioned that posting bad loads and groups was a waste of time? I do? Why? To illustrate loads or combinations people might want to avoid? Plus, the sheet I post goes in my book for my own reference and it gets too much to "cherry pick" the good ones and make a separate sheet! It combines the good, the bad and the ugly!!!! Man....................By this time next week we will be eating and drinking some brew........(after the range is cold) If you make it to Kentucky!
It seems as if this post by Richard was taken the wrong way by some... This goes to show you how the written word can be miss-understood if not written correctly and even sometimes when it is written correctly the person reading it might not perceive the written word as intended.
If we go back and re-read what Richard wrote and look at it in a positive way I think we can come to a different conclusion. I,,, in no way think Richard was insinuating that Carlos was lying about his shooting. What I think Richard was trying to say is that there are (PEOPLE) that would indeed lie about things to make them look good. We have sandbaggers in every sport....When I was shooting competitive archery and doing outdoor 3D tournaments there was one guy that would always win the tournament when he was shooting with his buddies,,,, but when ever he was paired up with some one else that would keep him honest he couldn't even place in the top 10. Once the clubs got wise to him and his buddies, all the clubs started attaching an outsider to their group. After a few weeks of this, this person stopped coming to the tournaments... He dropped off the face of the archery trail and was never seen again..... We have those kind of people in every sport,,,,, bowling, golf, pool, whatever it might be, we all just need to be aware of this and know when to spot a sandbagger.
Now sandbagging and posting only your best groups are two different things in my book. I just went fishing and posted a picture of my three biggest Crappie I caught, why my biggest three,,,, because no one cares about the smallest three. When I post a group, of coarse it is my best group(s) of the day, no one wants to see all the groups nor do I want to post all of them, now when making a video that's a different story, the target gets displayed and all the groups can be seen, so there is a time and place for everything.....
Back to Richards intentions, Telling us about the moving backers for the bench rest competition was his way of letting us know the IBS/NBRSA had to come up with the moving backer to keep some people from cheating.... We all know there are some that would do it if they could and get away with it. This way with the moving backer, if you shoot 10 shots there must be 10 shots in the moving backer or you would be dis-qualified.
When there is big money on the line some people will do what ever it takes to win...so the moving backer stops the cheaters.... Fortunately I don't think we have any off these kind of people coming to the Kentucky Challenge. Everyone that attends is there for a good time and to learn about muzzle loading and shooting. We all learn from each other at every shoot.
In my opinion, it is those guys that constantly ridicule, criticize and make fun of others that are the sandbaggers.. The only time they have anything nice to say is when they are saying it about their self. When someone else does a good job its always because they got lucky.
Now I hope I didn't make this more confusing than it already was,,, but I wanted to share my thoughts on this subject....
Thanks Jeff Hankins.
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Post by keith on Apr 29, 2016 18:25:26 GMT -5
It doesn't help when you punctuate everything with a question mark and spell phonetically. Pot calling the kettle black too in regards to boasting since BR/HIS/etc is the truth, the light, and the way. I seem to miss the drama between the kids any time I go away.
My guess is that this is aimed at Carlos. He and I both catch a lot of underhand about cherry picking (mostly from Rich). To cherry pick we'd have to do a lot more shooting than we do. We are both pretty civil but sometimes push comes to shove and a spade gets called a spade (Jeff told me but it was a little more self justifying than that). Carlos comes from where I come from and the shit filter fills up fast.
Sometimes you have enough and on the interweb the best you can do is shoot and post since most dudes aren't going to cross state lines for a duel. I'm pretty sure that toe to toe you'd lose against him more often than not. Maybe next time I'll catch it, complete with trace, on the PhoneSkope for any Doubting Thomas (I was raised by Bible beaters and took religion classes as a History major but tend to be less judgy than the True Believers; weird right?).
I bet you don't catch him at the Challenge since discretion is the better part of valor. I personally can't wait for a KY Challenge I won't miss due to competing requirements. Maybe that's youth talking. Nothing beats putting on a free clinic.
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Post by Kyle on Apr 29, 2016 19:32:36 GMT -5
What do you mean by a free clinic? Last I heard admission to the Kentucky Challenge for a new guy is $125.00. Money well spent though, maybe you will learn something.
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Post by Richard on Apr 29, 2016 20:52:45 GMT -5
I have watched Carlos's threads on Doug's and do not doubt he is a good shooter and think I was pretty clear about that. As Hank indicated I only mentioned the moving backers because anytime a group is shot with out them, it is up to the integrity of shooter as to whether the professed number of shots exist? Once you get a decent size hole in the target, there is no telling how many shots go thru it without touching any paper?...........Hence the moving backer. But, who goes to the range with this set up other than a registered benchrest group match?.......NO ONE! Why do I post my bad ones? Because I try to show others that not every group I post is a bug hole? I think we all see that but some may feel ashamed if they are not shooting bug holes.......It don't happen every time. Just go to a benchrest match and see? Thats why the place they hand your targets after being scored is called the "wailing wall!" But newer shooters show up on the forum all the time. If they see just the bug hole groups they will feel intimidated if they don't shoot them? I try to post a dose of reality! Another way to post a large number of shots, would be to use a series of bullseye's and fire one shot at each bull? They do this in BR 50 with .22 rimfire. ONE shot at each bull. So, realistically, going more than five shots in a group where you know the ability of the gun and shooter is of no real value.........only to the guy pulling the trigger? No way I could look at Carlos's group and attest to how many shots were in it? Like I said, I truly believe Carlos was just trying to put to rest the Cherry Picking thing. And I don't know why I am rambling..............? Anyone who wants to showcase their prowess.......come to the Challenge?
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Post by deadeyedon89 on Apr 29, 2016 21:12:26 GMT -5
So, realistically, going more than five shots in a group where you know the ability of the gun and shooter is of no real value.........only to the guy pulling the trigger? No way I could look at Carlos's group and attest to how many shots were in it? Like I said, I truly believe Carlos was just trying to put to rest the Cherry Picking thing. And I don't know why I am rambling..............? Anyone who wants to showcase their prowess.......come to the Challenge? i seen Carlos pic on the other forum and agree that is some nice shooting, and agree it gets annoying that people accuse you of "cherry picking" groups. I should know because that is exactly what happened to me on the other board as well. i believe that most of these SML's will do this just about every time with a quality Bullet and of course a quality Shooter behind the trigger. one day i hope to get a chance to shoot with/against all of you. i know that i had a GREAT time at the Kentucky Challenge and met some new friends, learned a couple things and ate some great cooking. i for one in all my years on the archery circuit was not afraid to shoot against some of the top pro's and even beat them from time to time. And the same thing applies to this, All i can do is shoot my best and hopefully it is good enough to win....AND IF NOT....... see you next time!!
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