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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 7, 2016 21:48:36 GMT -5
Ok, so I've run into a slight issue with my new Apex conversion concerning the length of the Ramrod. Let me also preface this by stating this "issue" has absolutely nothing to do with Jeff's work. It is simply due to my choice of loads and the design of the Apex.
As part of my conversion I had Jeff mount a ramrod on my gun (pics can be seen in my "The Woods Assassin" thread below). When he fabricated the mounting system for the ramrod he used every fraction of an inch available, making the ramrod as long as possible and still having it sit flush with the end of the bbl. when mounted in place with SpinJag attached. And it looks like it came from the factory that way.
When Jeff called me to say the gun was ready to ship out he did tell me that due to the Apex's design and ramrod length I would have to use a min. of 55 gr. / 4198 or 65 gr / 3031 if I used those powders. But said he could make me an extension if needed for use with other powders.
However, my preferred load of choice was going to be 195 Barnes / HLBS & 30 - 35 GR. N-110. I just loaded a barnes / HLBS and 32 gr. n-110 and I need about another 1-1/4" of ramrod to load this load. I was able to use the ramrod from my savage which is 2-1/4" longer to finish seating the load.
So, my question is would an extra 1-1/2 - 2" of ramrod protruding out below the muzzle have much effect on POI? I seem to recall hearing some past discussion somewhere but don't recall what the verdict was. 99% of my shot opportunities are from 10 - 75 yds. so I don't think it would likely even be an issue at those distances.
Just wondering what other folks opinions might be.
Thanks, YB
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Post by Hank on Feb 8, 2016 8:20:10 GMT -5
Bill... I doubt it will hurt you accuracy at all.,, the only thing I can see happening is your ram rod getting black with powder residue and if you only leave it in the gun while hunting I can't see that being much of a problem...
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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 8, 2016 8:46:12 GMT -5
Bill... I doubt it will hurt you accuracy at all.,, the only thing I can see happening is your ram rod getting black with powder residue and if you only leave it in the gun while hunting I can't see that being much of a problem... Thanks Jeff. Yeah, I don't think it will be a problem at the distances I shoot my deer.
I've been thinking about maybe trying 4198 with saboted 195/200 gr. bullets to see if I can get that to work with the length of my current ramrod.
I just sent you a PM asking some questions about that, so for redundancy's sake I won't ask them again here.
Thanks,
Bill
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Post by deadeye on Feb 8, 2016 9:06:16 GMT -5
back when I shot rem 700ml's I had approx. 1-1/2" of rod/jag extended-shot the same.
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Post by YankeeReb on Feb 8, 2016 9:12:57 GMT -5
It wont hurt a thing but like Jeff said it will blacken your protruding jag/ramrod.
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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 8, 2016 9:20:20 GMT -5
Thanks for the input guys. I'm not worried about the blackening. The ramrod sticking out just don't look as Purdy, but I view all of my hunting guns as tools for the job anyway, so it's really not a big deal.
YB
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 10:44:27 GMT -5
You could use a threaded short starter to extend the length...You probably need one to start the saboted combo in the muzzle anyway,At least I had to....
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Post by hawghunter on Feb 8, 2016 20:35:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 22:24:32 GMT -5
That is no problem at all...A standard load is 58gr of 4198 with saboted 195/200 gr. bullets...Problem solved
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2016 22:52:44 GMT -5
Yeah one of those,will do it..... |
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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 9, 2016 12:04:10 GMT -5
Appreciate all the suggestions guys, thanks.
That T - Handle starter y'all referenced above would be a good solution but it won't work with my ramrod. I have one of the pivoting T handle rods (I believe it's a T/C Powerrod IIRC), so any extensions will have to be made from the Jag end.
I did see where SpinJag sells 1"/1.25"/1.5" & 2" extensions that will work perfectly. So, knowing that it won't cause any accuracy issues, I'll just work up whatever load I'll be hunting with (I have another longer rod for range work) then just add the shortest extension possible to the ramrod that will be on the gun.
Thanks again for all the input.
YB
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Post by Kyle on Feb 9, 2016 12:14:56 GMT -5
I'd say you're good. If you had a brake it would be hard on the ramrod if the ports were directed toward the rod. I boneheaded a ramrod about a year and a half ago by not seating it fully. I ended up with a hockey stick.
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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 9, 2016 12:30:02 GMT -5
I'd say you're good. If you had a brake it would be hard on the ramrod if the ports were directed toward the rod. I boneheaded a ramrod about a year and a half ago by not seating it fully. I ended up with a hockey stick. Thanks Kyle, I think it will all work out fine. Man that stinks, don't imagine you've got much use for that Hockey Stick in Tenn. 
YB
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Post by nyhunter on Feb 9, 2016 12:30:19 GMT -5
For my Thompson Encore I always carry a Thompson T Handle Starter with an attached spinjag in my hunting fanny pack. - If I need to reload in the woods I use the Thompson T Handle with spinjag to start the bullet
- I then continue with the muzzloader ramrod for it's full length till it is flush with the muzzle.
- For the finial seating of the bullet, I go back to the Thompson T Handle with a spinjag and continue pushing the ramrod down till the bullet seats on to the charge.
- Last I turn the gun upside down and the ramrod slides back out.
My sound like a process, however I can complete it in less then 30 seconds and this enables me to use the short ramrod I carry on the firearm.
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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 9, 2016 13:23:07 GMT -5
For my Thompson Encore I always carry a Thompson T Handle Starter with an attached spinjag in my hunting fanny pack. - If I need to reload in the woods I use the Thompson T Handle with spinjag to start the bullet
- I then continue with the muzzloader ramrod for it's full length till it is flush with the muzzle.
- For the finial seating of the bullet, I go back to the Thompson T Handle with a spinjag and continue pushing the ramrod down till the bullet seats on to the charge.
- Last I turn the gun upside down and the ramrod slides back out.
My sound like a process, however I can complete it in less then 30 seconds and this enables me to use the short ramrod I carry on the firearm.
That sounds like a viable alternative also, thanks for the tip.
YB
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Post by itneverends22 on Feb 9, 2016 14:07:20 GMT -5
Appreciate all the suggestions guys, thanks. That T - Handle starter y'all referenced above would be a good solution but it won't work with my ramrod. I have one of the pivoting T handle rods (I believe it's a T/C Powerrod IIRC), so any extensions will have to be made from the Jag end. I did see where SpinJag sells 1"/1.25"/1.5" & 2" extensions that will work perfectly. So, knowing that it won't cause any accuracy issues, I'll just work up whatever load I'll be hunting with (I have another longer rod for range work) then just add the shortest extension possible to the ramrod that will be on the gun. Thanks again for all the input. YB YB, I was going to suggest the spinjag extenions, however, have you thought about jeffs collaspisble ramrod? for my encore I went with the collapsible rr, and IMO, it is the cats A**.. I just put it in my pocket, or hang it aroud my neck.. |
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Post by Yankee Bill on Feb 9, 2016 14:35:20 GMT -5
Appreciate all the suggestions guys, thanks. That T - Handle starter y'all referenced above would be a good solution but it won't work with my ramrod. I have one of the pivoting T handle rods (I believe it's a T/C Powerrod IIRC), so any extensions will have to be made from the Jag end. I did see where SpinJag sells 1"/1.25"/1.5" & 2" extensions that will work perfectly. So, knowing that it won't cause any accuracy issues, I'll just work up whatever load I'll be hunting with (I have another longer rod for range work) then just add the shortest extension possible to the ramrod that will be on the gun. Thanks again for all the input. YB YB, I was going to suggest the spinjag extenions, however, have you thought about jeffs collaspisble ramrod? for my encore I went with the collapsible rr, and IMO, it is the cats A**.. I just put it in my pocket, or hang it aroud my neck.. I did initially Charlie, but prefer one mounted to the gun myself, just my personal preference. But appreciate the suggestion anyway.
Thanks,
YB
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Post by nyhunter on Feb 9, 2016 22:15:12 GMT -5
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