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Post by nexttime on Jan 27, 2016 17:28:10 GMT -5
I see quite a few folks shooting the 78 gn 4198 load with great success. I like the idea of pushing a 275 gn projectile @ 3000 fps out of a muzzle banger. Is it recommended to build with a centerfire action with locking lugs over let's say 700Ml or Savage 10Ml when dealing with loads in that neighborhood? And are LRM primers required to reliably ignite? I shoot h4198 in my 700Ml Pacnor with 209's with no issues. Sorta have the itch to start collecting the parts to build another and taking it to the next level.
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Post by motox369 on Jan 27, 2016 19:26:45 GMT -5
Just dont ask that question on dougs you will be accused of being a spy
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Post by 391shooter on Jan 27, 2016 19:49:18 GMT -5
Just dont ask that question on dougs you will be accused of being a spy Been there done that. |
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Post by nexttime on Jan 27, 2016 20:56:19 GMT -5
LOL!! No spying. Just trying to catch up on the latest developments. I built about 6 or 7 years ago and was very happy with the results but a lot has changed. I have nothing aginst anyone on either board for the record. Don't know anyone from either board but everyone has always been nothing but nice and helpful over there as well as here from what I can see (bullets from Kyle sizing die from Jeff). But I'm out of the loop as far as drama and insider stuff goes. Just like the looks and results I'm seeing with some of these rifles.
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Post by keith on Jan 27, 2016 21:19:34 GMT -5
Sounds like you already know what you want to do and you are likely to get bias no matter where you ask. I know you can ignite that load either way and you can build on a CF action to use either 209 or LR/LRM primers.
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Post by Hank on Jan 28, 2016 9:45:46 GMT -5
Nexttime.
Don't look like many want to comment on this question as it has stirred up a lot of stink on that other board, however you will always get bias opinions when asking people (especially a bunch of men) what is the best.... It don't matter if we are talking trucks, guns or fishing poles.....We all have our favorites... My bias opinion is to build on a center fire action and use the HIS ignition system. No modifications needed to the bolt to make it work. No extra #300.00 bolt to buy. Just install a plug, buy some priming modules and you are ready to shoot.
The only way I would tell someone to build a new gun using a ML action is if they already have the action... At the price you can get a new Remington 700 stainless steel action for nowadays it is absolutely crazy to buy a ML action as a donor to build a new gun. Regardless of the priming system you choose to use.
So if it were me,, build on a center fire action..... Are they any more accurate, probably not,,, are they easier to set up and get shooting with no leaking primers,,,, absolutely.....
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 28, 2016 10:05:58 GMT -5
All my future builds wil be on CF actions from here forward.
Drop
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Post by linebaugh on Jan 28, 2016 10:51:57 GMT -5
I'll add my .02$
A centerfire action adds nothing for strength as it refers to safety. In all the pics of blown/bulged barrels seen I have yet to see a plug not intact. It does add some psychological safety and that is actually worth something in my book.
A centerfire plug can be a big gain as it allows you to cam a 209 or LRP priming module in place thus increasing the sealing potential. You can do this with the muzzy bolt design to a degree but it just isn't the same in my book. Camming off a sigle bolt head that rests under a loose bolt body over half way back on the bolt is not nearly as good a cam as two cf bolt lugs located .5-.6" away from the bolt face.
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Post by schunter on Jan 28, 2016 12:51:27 GMT -5
Like Jeff said if you have the ML action build on it. If not go the CF route as these guys have stated.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:26:51 GMT -5
All my future builds wil be on CF actions from here forward. Drop I agree with Russell |
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Post by nexttime on Jan 28, 2016 16:22:39 GMT -5
Thanks for the input folks. Like Keith had said I kinda had already made up my mind to some degree. Just trying to make sure I'm at least thinking in the right direction at this point as far as safety and sealing with let's say magnum loads. I do have a semi custom 10Ml sitting in the safe doing nothing but I believe I'll keep it as is and round up a CF short action. Thanks again.
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 9, 2016 18:05:49 GMT -5
So, would you guys also recommend building on the Remington Ultimate? I am planning to buy the B&C stock model and use the stock and action. Seemed just as cheap as buying a decent stock and action.
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Post by linebaugh on Feb 10, 2016 10:28:55 GMT -5
Boonechaser,
It somewhat depends on what you can get the gun for. The ultimate 700 has had spiratic pricing and availability. If the price was right I would sure go for it. That stock you are after is $250.+ new and the action to me would be worth $300 as a donor. If you can sell the parts beyond that to get the price right I'd sure go for it.
The ultimate 700 is a pretty good smokeless platforem as is IMO. If you don't mind having a 50 and shooting sabots I would take advantage of that until I changed out the bbl.
I'm not a remmy guy but I had one of those ultimates here with a buddy. It has a single shot action so it should be stiffer. I don't know remmy but it looks like the 40x action. We bedded it and in the process the little pot metal trigger grabbed my pant leg and snapped off. I was not impressed with the trigger.
BTW my budddy shoots that gun with H4198 and 250gr sabots and it shoots really well. He wants to pull the barrel at some point but he is so happy with how it shoots he still has not. I think he bought his new from a Cabela's or Bass Pro for a wee over $600 which makes that about the cheapest smokeless I know of. Also makes it a very reasonable donor action if you repurpose and sell the parts at that price.
My .02$
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Post by boonechaser on Feb 11, 2016 11:43:59 GMT -5
Brings up some interesting info. I looked into some trace data on the other board and appears 70gr 4198 pushing a 250gr bullet comes in around 34k and think I read that 160gr of bh209 is safe in these Ultimates and that should be a little over 30k with the same bullet. I would think with it being that close in pressure, as long as a person used a sabot... The sabot would blow before the barrel or BP.
I would think that if a person wanted to stay with a 50cal or didn't mind one...... This would be about the cheapest smokeless to hit the market.
Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
Just an observation and not promoting the use of smokeless powder in a barrel that is clearly marked for black powder or subs only.
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