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Post by keith on Jan 27, 2016 18:30:19 GMT -5
Mike,
I think you are in for a stock swap or a hardware install on your stock ($50 in parts plus labor, my guess is about $200-250) because even the lowest rings I know of for 34mm (Seekins .820") are only going to drop you .180" which leaves you still needing a higher comb than what you have. Now that deer season is over you have plenty of time to decide.
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Post by Hank on Jan 27, 2016 19:02:48 GMT -5
For the price of the Manners, I should drive to their facility to fit the best model. lol[/quote]
You should come to the Kentucky Challenge and see what all we have there., most likely we will have a T5A you can handle and see if you like it....
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Post by mike on Jan 27, 2016 22:26:39 GMT -5
Mike, I think you are in for a stock swap or a hardware install on your stock ($50 in parts plus labor, my guess is about $200-250) because even the lowest rings I know of for 34mm (Seekins .820") are only going to drop you .180" which leaves you still needing a higher comb than what you have. Now that deer season is over you have plenty of time to decide. Hey Keith,
I appreciate your input.
I sent photos of my gun stock to a company that custom installs adjustable combs and they responded that it can't be done on the Boyds thumbhole stock because there simply isn't enough wood thickness.
Regarding lower rings, I can't drop my scope any lower because there is only .140" clearance between the scope's objective bell and the barrel.
One of the guys here, fishhawk, advised me that he can custom fit a hardwood comb riser to my stock. The problem is him not knowing exactly how high it needs to be to fit it to my face. He said he can do the work and leave extra stock for me to file/sand down for perfect fit and then finish with some type of wood oil. The problem with this solution is it's permanent and won't allow barrel cleaning from the breach. Can clean from the muzzle, but don't like to do that risking damage to the edge circumference of the bore.
So, I think my best solution is to have Jeff bed the barreled action in a new adjustable comb stock.
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Post by mike on Jan 27, 2016 22:34:17 GMT -5
For the price of the Manners, I should drive to their facility to fit the best model. lol You should come to the Kentucky Challenge and see what all we have there., most likely we will have a T5A you can handle and see if you like it.... Jeff, I sure would like to attend the Kentucky Challenge, just hard to plan ahead with work always getting in the way of the important stuff. lol
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Post by keith on Jan 28, 2016 7:36:02 GMT -5
I would have said you can do Kydex and have a removable piece but as much comb as you need I don't think any ADJ comb is the right answer. Sporter Thumb holes are just too low unless you are shooting smaller objectives that are mounted low. You are on the right track with getting a proper stock.
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Post by Richard on Jan 28, 2016 10:47:16 GMT -5
There is no reason why you could not use the Boyd's ProVarmint with the adjustable cheek rest and then mold on to it to get what you want. I have been involved in autobody and particularly Corvette work since before my LEO days. I have made and adjusted forends and everything else on a stock to fit what I wanted. The only thing is the part would have to be painted vs. the original wood. I would implant studs in the existing piece and then build onto them with fiberglass and resin and then final shape with autobody filler sanding and blending to make a perfect fit that would look professional. A piece of cake to do. BTW, this was a standard Ruger 10/22 with their el-cheapo birch stock with the barrel band that I altered and added a 2 1/4" hunter class bench rest forend to fit my rest. It has a piece of flat fiberglass added and molded and shaped. Then the entire stock filled a lacquer painted. An aftermarket match barrel was also added. But, what I am saying is these cheek pieces could be altered to fit your needs at a much less cost than a Manners stock. adult photo sharing
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Post by mike on Jan 28, 2016 13:35:07 GMT -5
There is no reason why you could not use the Boyd's ProVarmint with the adjustable cheek rest and then mold on to it to get what you want. I have been involved in autobody and particularly Corvette work since before my LEO days. I have made and adjusted forends and everything else on a stock to fit what I wanted. The only thing is the part would have to be painted vs. the original wood. I would implant studs in the existing piece and then build onto them with fiberglass and resin and then final shape with autobody filler sanding and blending to make a perfect fit that would look professional. A piece of cake to do. BTW, this was a standard Ruger 10/22 with their el-cheapo birch stock with the barrel band that I altered and added a 2 1/4" hunter class bench rest forend to fit my rest. It has a piece of flat fiberglass added and molded and shaped. Then the entire stock filled a lacquer painted. An aftermarket match barrel was also added. But, what I am saying is these cheek pieces could be altered to fit your needs at a much less cost than a Manners stock. adult photo sharingThanks Richard, I appreciate your input. Sure don't want to spend a fortune on a new stock, but have already spent a fortune on the new rifle and have to do something to get the cheek-weld I need. Just not sure which way to go. Pros and cons with all the alternatives. I appreciate everyone's input, helps me evaluate the problem before jumping into gear. Besides, I'm OK for now after installing my really cool duct taped foam cheek piece. lol
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Post by schunter on Jan 28, 2016 13:48:59 GMT -5
How about this Mike... Its a Knight Long Range Hunter stock. Don't know if it will fit a Remington action but would probably fit you.
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Post by mike on Jan 28, 2016 22:37:20 GMT -5
How about this Mike... Its a Knight Long Range Hunter stock. Don't know if it will fit a Remington action but would probably fit you. Hey schunter, now that's a pretty cool stock! Is that the standard stock offered by Knight? Is that a 40mm objective on that scope? Does it do a good job at lining up your eye with the scope when your cheek bone is planted where you want it to be?
The temporary comb I taped to my rifle's stock is elevated above the height of the bores centerline; can't clear a cleaning rod into the breach. Hard to tell exactly from your photo, but looks like the height of the comb is slightly below the bores centerline?
One of the members here offered his services to modify my stock by milling a flat surface and attaching a hardwood elevated comb. He said we can contact Boyds to learn if they will sell me a piece of matching laminated wood. The comb will be left with extra stock so I can finish it to my exact fit. This solution will be far less costly than a new stock and provide a custom fit to my face. But my concern is the inability to remove the comb for cleaning the barrel from the breach. Still contemplating what I will do and am in no immediate rush since hunting season is over and winter is on us.
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Post by summertt8 on Jan 29, 2016 0:24:45 GMT -5
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Post by schunter on Jan 29, 2016 8:07:19 GMT -5
How about this Mike... Its a Knight Long Range Hunter stock. Don't know if it will fit a Remington action but would probably fit you. Hey schunter, now that's a pretty cool stock! Is that the standard stock offered by Knight? Is that a 40mm objective on that scope? Does it do a good job at lining up your eye with the scope when your cheek bone is planted where you want it to be?
The temporary comb I taped to my rifle's stock is elevated above the height of the bores centerline; can't clear a cleaning rod into the breach. Hard to tell exactly from your photo, but looks like the height of the comb is slightly below the bores centerline?
One of the members here offered his services to modify my stock by milling a flat surface and attaching a hardwood elevated comb. He said we can contact Boyds to learn if they will sell me a piece of matching laminated wood. The comb will be left with extra stock so I can finish it to my exact fit. This solution will be far less costly than a new stock and provide a custom fit to my face. But my concern is the inability to remove the comb for cleaning the barrel from the breach. Still contemplating what I will do and am in no immediate rush since hunting season is over and winter is on us. Mike the gun belongs to bestill(Jeff) on this board. Send him a PM and he can give you the exact details. Scott
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Post by scallop on Jan 30, 2016 14:09:30 GMT -5
Mike:
With regard to a stock with proper check weld, I have a Manners MCS-T (non adjustable) for my SML and I find the the check weld excellent.
When I was trying to decide on which Manners stock for my SML, I torn between the MCS-T and MCS-T3. Both stocks are essential the same, except for forearm width. The MCS-T3 having a wider forearm.
Anyway, after shooting and hunting with my SML with the MCS-T stock, these are my feelings. The Manners MCS-T3 would complement the modified #17 barrel better aesthetically. But, the Manners stocks with the wide forearms (2.40" and larger) are like carrying a 2x4. Granted, these high performance SML are heavy and best suited as stand guns, I'm just not sure I want a 2x4 as a stock on a hunting gun. So, I feel the MCS-T is a good compromise. The stock can handle the barrel size, the forearm fits in your hand better, and accuracy was not compromised.
This is just my 2 cents.
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Post by mike on Jan 30, 2016 15:10:15 GMT -5
Mike: With regard to a stock with proper check weld, I have a Manners MCS-T (non adjustable) for my SML and I find the the check weld excellent. When I was trying to decide on which Manners stock for my SML, I torn between the MCS-T and MCS-T3. Both stocks are essential the same, except for forearm width. The MCS-T3 having a wider forearm. Anyway, after shooting and hunting with my SML with the MCS-T stock, these are my feelings. The Manners MCS-T3 would complement the modified #17 barrel better aesthetically. But, the Manners stocks with the wide forearms (2.40" and larger) are like carrying a 2x4. Granted, these high performance SML are heavy and best suited as stand guns, I'm just not sure I want a 2x4 as a stock on a hunting gun. So, I feel the MCS-T is a good compromise. The stock can handle the barrel size, the forearm fits in your hand better, and accuracy was not compromised. This is just my 2 cents. Hey scallop,
Thank you for your input. I don't think I have a deformed facial structure, but maybe I have high cheek bones? All I know is that in order to obtain a cheek weld just below my cheek bone I had to attach a 1" high piece of foam. I know it's a function of the large objective scope I chose to use, 2.4" diameter stacked on top of a 20 moa picatiney rail. Without the foam cheek piece riser I could only weld the stock to my lower jaw in order to be lined up for viewing through the eyepiece of the scope. That was simply not going to work. The top surface of the foam piece I taped to my stock is level with the top of the model 700 receiver. I don't think I've seen any non-adjustable stocks where the stock's comb is elevated past the bottom surface of a model 700 receiver.
Are you able to estimate how high the comb is as related to your rifle's action? What receiver is your rifle built on?
I agree with you, most of these SPML'ers are extremely heavy and much more suited to stand hunting. Thanks for your recommendation for the MCS-T stock and confirming it will accommodate the large #17 Brux modified taper barrel. I'm just convinced that I must have an elevated stock comb by way of an add-on or an adjustable comb. My duct taped foam add-on actually works very well in welding just below my cheek bone and aligning my eye directly behind the scope's eyepiece, but it looks really bad. Of course, it didn't cost me $700 either! lol
Regards, Mike
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Post by scallop on Jan 31, 2016 10:57:13 GMT -5
My muzzleloader is built on a Rem700SA. I would estimate the comb is level with the bottom of the bolt raceway.
The MCS-T is available with any adjustable comb.
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Post by mike on Jan 18, 2017 0:42:10 GMT -5
OK guys, I've had my Hankins SPML for just over one year and have launched about 200 rounds down-range. Very pleased with the rifle's accuracy. But I'm still shooting it with the super-cool foam and duct-tape cheek-piece, lol (see photos at beginning of post). I'm seriously considering getting the rifle back to Jeff to have him bed it to a new stock with an adjustable/ removable cheek-piece. I'm strongly considering a Manners MCS-T4A or MCS-T2A. I really wish there was a way for me to get these in my hands...and against my face to feel and see how they fit, but no way to do so. Does anyone have any first-hand experience with either stock model? This is going to cost me a small fortune so I want to make the best decision possible. Any comments or ideas appreciated.
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Post by tcas on Jan 18, 2017 7:49:07 GMT -5
Bradley Cheek rest work well, I made the mistake once of not getting an adjustable cheek piece, they are solid and don't move at all, but they do clutter up the rifle a bit.
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Post by Hank on Jan 18, 2017 7:50:19 GMT -5
Mike.
You could order both of these from Stocky's and let them know you will be returning one of them for a refund. They will not have a problem doing this for you if you pay the return shipping back to them. You will have to pay for both stocks up front but get your money back when they receive the stock back. It will cost you $25.00 or less to return the unwanted stock. This way you will be sure of your choice and never be wondering if you should have gotten something else.
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Post by doug136 on Jan 18, 2017 9:10:37 GMT -5
Might want to look at the GRS stocks . They have a adjustable cheek piece that is very easy to adjust . Just a thought
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Post by Richard on Jan 18, 2017 9:17:03 GMT -5
The Boyd's ProVarmint also is available with an adjustable cheek piece for only a few bucks more?
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Post by mike on Jan 18, 2017 23:27:18 GMT -5
The Boyd's ProVarmint also is available with an adjustable cheek piece for only a few bucks more? Thanks Richard, but it only has a 1/2" total adjustment range, according to their data, and I need about an inch.
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