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Post by critter on Jan 22, 2016 10:48:13 GMT -5
Hi this is critter
I have a couple H&R's that I want to make into muzzleloaders but I'm not sure which way to go I have the buffalo classic with a 32 inch barrel and I have that handy rifle with a 22 inch barrel. I would like some of your feedback on this subject. I'm not sure how much accuracy I would lose with the short barrel versus the long barrel I would lose feet per second I think but that's not near as important as the accuracy. If you would please give me the pros and the cons of the two rifles short-barreled long barrel. The H&R is chambered in 45-70 just right for a 45cal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2016 11:05:05 GMT -5
Welcome critter...cool screen name. I'm sure you will lots of replies to your questions.
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Post by tnhunter54 on Jan 22, 2016 11:37:25 GMT -5
Welcome to the board critter, I assume both guns are 45/70 and that is more important than barrel length. You will need a sml breach plug installed and I'm sure you will find someone on here that can do that for you. Good luck with your new smokeless guns.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 22, 2016 12:53:44 GMT -5
Hello Critter, Welcome...
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 22, 2016 15:35:21 GMT -5
Have you shot either or both barrels? (.45-70?) I would go with the most accurate barrel of the two, if I knew. On the other hand, what type of hunting will you be doing? If it's in thick woods where a longer shot than 150yds is unlikely, the short barrel would be handier. Wish I had gotten a 32" Buffalo Classic while they were still being made.  I really like the long barrels. Welcome to the board! |
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Post by Richard on Jan 22, 2016 16:11:04 GMT -5
Welcome to the board. With that type of rifle, I would stick to the shorter barrel and probably go with .40 cal. bullets in sabots. A 200 gr. SST or XTP ( and yes the 195 Barnes MZ) can comfortably be pushed to 2700 fps with no pressure strain on the thin barrel. Save your pennies (or sell dannoboone your 32 incher) and go with a bolt gun for the long barrel. Get enough meat over the chamber area and then you can safely shoot those 275 and above bullets to 3K.
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Post by critter on Jan 22, 2016 16:20:42 GMT -5
And yes I edited my recent post it is a 45-70 sorry for the goof up. Thanks critter
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Post by critter on Jan 22, 2016 16:34:37 GMT -5
Dannoboone this is critter I'm from Indiana looked hard for a month on the inter web and finally found a buffalo classic in Wisconsin at a true value brand new for $265.00 that was a great deal in my book since they aren't any longer produced. Just not sure if I want to make it a smokeless or just keep it in stock shape.
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Post by Hank on Jan 22, 2016 21:13:31 GMT -5
Welcome to the board...
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Post by critter on Jan 23, 2016 9:52:19 GMT -5
Hi Jeff if you have time I would love to hear your take on my original post. What would the maximum shooting distance for a H&R handi rifle 45-70 with a 22 inch barrel verses a buffalo classic 45-70 with a 32 inch barrel. Thanks critter
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Post by Hank on Jan 23, 2016 21:24:12 GMT -5
If it was me I would probably use the 22 inch barrel.... But first I would do as danno suggested and shoot them both as 45/70's and see which one you like the best,, both feel and accuracy... That would be the deciding factor for me.. I have done conversions on both these rifles you have and both of them and they both shot well but I don't own one so I can't really tell you how far they would be able to shoot.. The buffalo classic I did I cut the barrel down to 29 inches and used the drop to make a full form sizing die so that might be a valuable tool for you if you ever want to shoot .458 bullets. You won't be able to cut off ant of your 22 inch barrel.
If both rifles shoot good and your primary use is woods hunting or shots under 200 I think the short barrel would be good., if you think you might want to stretch it out to 300 yards or do you might want to go with the longer barrel..
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Post by critter on Jan 24, 2016 1:52:55 GMT -5
Thanks for your input very much appreciated critter says thanks again!!!
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Post by Squeeze on Jan 24, 2016 14:32:14 GMT -5
I like those buffalo classics. they are also supposed to already have a hole in the stock, under the butt-plate perfect for weights, or a mercury recoil tube. I would still cut the barrel, somewhere short of the front dovetail and recrown.
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