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Post by eatmoredeer on Jul 5, 2024 18:35:16 GMT -5
Looking to get my first SML on a budget. Ive narrowed it to these two options.
1) CVA 45-70 Conversion. Found one for $399. All together after the conversion and extras (Muzzle brake, ramrod, etc) is be in at about $1100?
2) Buy a used R700 UML for ~$850 and put a pre-for barrel on and I’d be in at about $1900. I like this idea because I can have a non-collapsible ramrod attached to the gun for quick reloading.
Open to any feedback.
Thanks!
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Post by yoderjac on Jul 5, 2024 19:39:57 GMT -5
My first SML was a TC Encore. I provided the action and did an MCarbo spring/trigger job on it. Jeff provided everything else but the scope. My black powder equivalent muzzleloaders all had attached ram rods. This was the first muzzleloader I got with a collapsible ram rod. I really found it was not a big deal. I made a little holder that hangs from my fanny pack for it. I keep the funnel directly on the rod. I'm primarily a hunter, but it has always been rare for me to get a second shot with a rifle, let alone a muzzleloader. The KE from these SMLs is amazing. I use a range rod for sighting in and fouling and such.
I will say that if you are new to this and not a reloader and on a budget, there are a lot of other costs. Modules, primers, powder, and bullets are not cheap. I ended up buying a partner press, depriming die, sizing die, powder dispenser, scale, vials, were all costs I had not considered. Powder and primers can be hard to find as well.
Just food for financial planning. Good luck with the new addiction!
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Post by eatmoredeer on Jul 5, 2024 19:59:02 GMT -5
I do reload already and I am familiar with load development and have several thousand primers. This will just be my first SML. Thanks for the response and insight on the rod.
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Post by dennis on Jul 5, 2024 20:28:34 GMT -5
If a brake action will satisfy your need they are 300+ yd capable. I would choose a shouldered barrel over a prefit for the UML
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Post by SURESHOT on Jul 5, 2024 20:40:11 GMT -5
there is a nylon pouch you can purchase that can hang from your belt or any place you want to store it for your needs while hunting, during the off season I leave my collapsible rod extended out so that my cord does not stretch out, with my bolt guns like you they are with the gun barrel. A muzzle brake may be a need, depending on your load, they do The (CVA SCOUT 45/70) blue/black and the V2 with the max load 275 grain bullet is a thumper to me,.
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Post by shindig on Jul 6, 2024 5:54:41 GMT -5
there is a nylon pouch you can purchase that can hang from your belt or any place you want to store it for your needs while hunting, during the off season I leave my collapsible rod extended out so that my cord does not stretch out, with my bolt guns like you they are with the gun barrel. A muzzle brake may be a need, depending on your load, they do The (CVA SCOUT 45/70) with the max load 275 grain bullet is a thumper to me modernwarriorconcealment.com/muzzleloader-ram-rod-pouch has a great collapsible ram rod pouch. |
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Post by eatmoredeer on Jul 6, 2024 10:57:28 GMT -5
I guess I should’ve asked if it’s worth it to buy a UML just for conversion or if it’s not worth the extra money?
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 6, 2024 12:39:08 GMT -5
It’s all depends on what distance you will be shooting at?
Anything under 300 yards you can’t beat a CVA for the money. Light weight, easy to move around in a tree stand and through the woods. Plus you can beat the heck out of it and not worry about it.
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Post by peteo on Jul 7, 2024 19:31:44 GMT -5
I would go with the CVA conversion. IMO you do not need a brake. Recoil for this break action is not abusive, you can't load it heavy enough due to safety issues. A folding ramrod is not an issue for me as this is not a speedy second shot gun. The CVA is an accurate deer gun to 300 yards, it is compact and light weight. I sold my bolt SML's for this lighter gun as it is easier to carry onto public lands while packing my climber and pack, as I am now 68.
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Post by joelmoney on Jul 8, 2024 15:13:15 GMT -5
If you want an easy carrying walk around rifle get the CVA. If you want a bench gun get the 700.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 8, 2024 20:45:00 GMT -5
Get BOTH!!
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Post by gd357 on Jul 8, 2024 21:36:15 GMT -5
 Let's start out with one and work up. You'll have to forgive Mark, he's probably up to a dozen smokeless muzzleloaders by now. LOL Either way, if you're looking for a hunting gun, both will do the trick. Depends on how far you want to push things. JMHO gd
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Post by dennis on Jul 9, 2024 6:47:19 GMT -5
I have a blued/black scout no brake and it's a very consistent bore. I know of at least 4-5 others who have one and they report the same. These are not a takedown model like the V2
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Post by shindig on Jul 10, 2024 7:34:35 GMT -5
Just got a blue/black Scout this year and the bore is true ,full length. Nice little hunting rig .
Easy one hand loading muzzle to breach
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Post by peteo on Jul 10, 2024 11:47:59 GMT -5
I have not seen a CVA Scout 45/70 with iron sights. A NEF has iron sights.
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Post by gd357 on Jul 10, 2024 22:40:06 GMT -5
I have not seen a CVA Scout 45/70 with iron sights. A NEF has iron sights. Yeah, if he's looking for open sights, that might be a problem... gd |
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Post by lbahunter on Jul 11, 2024 21:16:37 GMT -5
I have a blued/black scout no brake and it's a very consistent bore. I know of at least 4-5 others who have one and they report the same. These are not a takedown model like the V2 My blk/blue Scout conversion's bore is consistent, muzzle to breech. |
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Post by eatmoredeer on Jul 14, 2024 0:18:45 GMT -5
Has anyone with blued/black scout no brake had chock issues? If not this is worth noting. You will just have to add a brake later if you want one.
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Post by SURESHOT on Jul 14, 2024 7:26:41 GMT -5
Have set up (3) Blue / Black scouts for those that purchased this gun, will note all have installed muzzlebrakes on them after purchase, which is more cost with that being stated the CVA SCOUT V2 comes with a brake and a thread protector. The BLUE/BLACK barrel seems more uniformed from muzzle down then the V2, Have set up close to 20 V2's the barrel is not an issue, all shoot very good groups at a 100 yards and also at 200 and 300 yards. CHOCK issue what are you asking?
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