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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 0:07:45 GMT -5
Is there such a thing...? High bc with terminal performance at any range .... Bestill mentioned one time that at different ranges different bullets were more accurate...I believe a guy shooting heavy weight 400+ was schooling him at the range....With that in mind ...I'm thinking what are you asking from your bullet and at what range are you expecting it to perform....250xtp's have been shown to be sub moa at 200yds and less....Every situation has a different need....If you know if a deer runs off into a swamp of no return ,wouldn't you want something that absolutely will drop him no matter where you hit him..? Just opening a discussion....What hunting situation do you have.....? |
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Post by shane on Jan 20, 2016 0:28:20 GMT -5
I guess first off, there isnt a "Perfect" bullet
For every situation.
SMLs:
I guess if you are talking for practical hunting
Ranges say, 350 yards or less, i dont think
You could get much better than the Barnes
Bullets. Consistent expansion @ any velocity
And complete pass thru providing great blood trails,
If he doesnt drop there.
Others however, have much more experience
than myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 0:37:18 GMT -5
In the woods I hunt in, a 200yd shot is a hard to come by...But with my hotrod .45 I have the power to hit hard with extreme prejudice...What would work best for me..?
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Post by WGK on Jan 20, 2016 1:03:23 GMT -5
I too think the Barnes is hard to bet at the ranges Shane mentioned. I really like to see an exit hole on the deer I shoot. 5 deer were shot with my rifle using the 250tez this year. The farthest being 200 yards and the closest being 150. All but 1 were DRT and the other one ran about 20 yards. All were compleat pass thru's
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Post by bestill458 on Jan 20, 2016 2:11:10 GMT -5
Under200 yds and with your equipment my top 3 would be 300 bomb, 300 matchhunter,290 Barnes put cross hair on shoulder and plant deer in his tracks he wont run into swamp with his lips in the dirt.
May lose alittle meat but you will recover deer.
I know many hate these shots because of lost meat but i live in area where farmers with depredation tags shoot100s of deer and let run off and die.
So i will gladly lose a shoulder for a guaranteed recovery and just harvest another doe to cover my lost shoulder meat
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Post by gar on Jan 20, 2016 4:06:33 GMT -5
Now if someone would machine a copper bullet with the same or near same profile as the MH's or Pittman Or Bomb, and with driving bands of .458 and a shank of .445 with a hollow point notched then full forming and no annealing we might be close to one perfect bullet. I go about it differently than bestill, I use the BE's and just shoot another deer to cover any waste from the explosive effects of the BE. Deer don't run far and you lose a bit of meat.
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Post by itneverends22 on Jan 20, 2016 8:01:01 GMT -5
I too think the Barnes is hard to bet at the ranges Shane mentioned. I really like to see an exit hole on the deer I shoot. 5 deer were shot with my rifle using the 250tez this year. The farthest being 200 yards and the closest being 150. All but 1 were DRT and the other one ran about 20 yards. All were compleat pass thru's WGK, are you using a break open? do you have to size the 250"? lasty,what is your powder charge? thanks, charlie.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 8:49:17 GMT -5
Now if someone would machine a copper bullet with the same or near same profile as the MH's or Pittman Or Bomb, and with driving bands of .458 and a shank of .445 with a hollow point notched then full forming and no annealing we might be close to one perfect bullet. I go about it differently than bestill, I use the BE's and just shoot another deer to cover any waste from the explosive effects of the BE. Deer don't run far and you lose a bit of meat. your recipe sounds like something that CEB could make....what do they offer for a .458 barrel to shoot...? |
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Post by buckdoehunter on Jan 20, 2016 10:13:11 GMT -5
For reference Barnes 250gr TEZ 2700 fps MV 1450 fps, 1200 ft/lbs energy at impact 100yd zero, 22 inches of drop at 300yds at 24*F avg 2 1/2yr old Iowa buck shot at 304yds, quartering to me, bullet recovered just under loin before the start of the hind quarter, I think the bullet deflected some off the rib bones, bullet entrance right in front of left shoulder blade, buck ran 25yds then piled up  No sizing, bullet was knurled for fit out of Mcgowen .458 barrel, Remington 700ML platform |
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Post by eml9 on Jan 20, 2016 10:45:23 GMT -5
I hunt the marsh on the eastern shore. I often watch big bucks 500 to 1000 yards out in the marsh paired up with a doe during the rut. I shoot a barnes 250 tez and feel like 300-350 yards is about the max for this bullet ? Would be nice to have a high bc all copper bullet to maybe reach out a tad farther if conditions were good. The reason I stay with the Barnes is because I can't stand an explosive bullet. One day I may not hunt the marsh and sit in the woods where I would have a 40 yard shot, this is where the Barnes tez shines. All shots from 20-300 yards have been devastating to deer with very little meat loss. Sounds like a good excuse to have another build, Marsh gun and woods gun lol marsh gun shooting a higher bc bullet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2016 18:00:54 GMT -5
I too think the Barnes is hard to bet at the ranges Shane mentioned. I really like to see an exit hole on the deer I shoot. 5 deer were shot with my rifle using the 250tez this year. The farthest being 200 yards and the closest being 150. All but 1 were DRT and the other one ran about 20 yards. All were compleat pass thru's WGK, are you using a break open? do you have to size the 250"? lasty,what is your powder charge? thanks, charlie.. WGK has login issues but he is shooting a Savage Mcgowen 10/60 4759/4198 at 2777 fps. The 250 and 290 tez's are awesome killers but are limited to 400-450 yards due to poor BC. If you haven't noticed, ALL Barnes copper bullets have BC's that are a good deal lower than comparable jacketed bullets. I have a theory about the reason for that. 1) The barnes opens hydraulically. In other words, it will not open on bone alone. It must encounter flesh, fluid, etc which fills the cavity and opens the nose hydraulically. 2) In order for the hydraulic effect to function, the volume of the hollow cavity must be large enough to hold enough fluid mass in order to open up. By this cavity being that large, the copper around it must be of a minimal thickness so as to not break off when folded outward by the hydraulic action. Hence, the reason for the low BC is that the ogive shape cannot be conducive for a high BC and still have the needed attributes for hydraulic expansion AND strong petals after expansion. They really are awesome bullets that work well at all ranges up to their minimum velocity of around 1200 fps. From a 28" barrel, a person might obtain enough velocity to stretch the effective range out to 500 or 550 yards. |
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