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Post by buckeye68 on Dec 12, 2023 22:08:59 GMT -5
I went So a solution I am going to try is with a sabot - can you use the shockwave muzzle brake for a .402 bullet with a light blue sabot? No clue because there is no need to use them in any of my SML. I went to land riders because all the issues I encountered using sabots in the past.
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Post by sqezer on Dec 12, 2023 22:16:31 GMT -5
I went So a solution I am going to try is with a sabot - can you use the shockwave muzzle brake for a .402 bullet with a light blue sabot? No clue because there is no need to use them in any of my SML. I went to land riders because all the issues I encountered using sabots in the past. After teaching Hunters Ed, and the Muzzleloaders part of it and dealing with sabots, I had enough of them went Land Riders even in my Knight Super Disc 45, 1-20 twist with BH-209 wool wad and Parker BE. The 45-70 Hankins conversion 56 gr. IMR 4198 wool wad and Parker Black Max I'M HAPPY.
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Post by SURESHOT on Dec 15, 2023 11:37:54 GMT -5
online checking to see where we are on this issue, have you tried anything? is the problem fixed, I would continue to use land rider and the powder, and a magnum primer,
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Post by hillbill on Dec 16, 2023 5:57:08 GMT -5
Pm sent
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Post by bobyote on Dec 16, 2023 14:57:30 GMT -5
I haven’t had time to try anything but builder is going to send me some sabots and bullets to try. I appreciate everyone’s help!
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Post by bobyote on Dec 20, 2023 17:08:33 GMT -5
Well I feel foolish - I believe I have solved my issue - thanks to several people on this forum (buckeye!) and my gun builder. One problem is I was storing my loaded primer modules in air tight medicine bottles- redid my modules and drilled holes in the bottles. 2- I may not have been seating my bullets with enough pressure and 3 (this one I feel foolish about) I was loading the module in front of the ejector and not setting it on the lip of it. Since then my last 10 shots have went boom and accuracy is great! I still need to practice being a better shooter but I’ll take it!!
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Post by Ice on Dec 20, 2023 17:40:05 GMT -5
Well I feel foolish - I believe I have solved my issue - thanks to several people on this forum (buckeye!) and my gun builder. One problem is I was storing my loaded primer modules in air tight medicine bottles- redid my modules and drilled holes in the bottles. 2- I may not have been seating my bullets with enough pressure and 3 (this one I feel foolish about) I was loading the module in front of the ejector and not setting it on the lip of it. Since then my last 10 shots have went boom and accuracy is great! I still need to practice being a better shooter but I’ll take it!! I’ve been active in shooting/loading for 40 years and still do foolishness with regularity from black eyes (last week) to fired ramrods. Asking questions and seeking guidance especially here is one of the wisest things that I’ve ever done in the shooting world. Glad you’re on the right road and shared your experience. You’ve enriched our world and in the process of getting help, helped others!
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Post by SURESHOT on Dec 20, 2023 23:38:56 GMT -5
Yes thanks for the update!! I too have made foolish mistakes!
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Post by SURESHOT on Dec 23, 2023 8:51:56 GMT -5
Well I feel foolish - I believe I have solved my issue - thanks to several people on this forum (buckeye!) and my gun builder. One problem is I was storing my loaded primer modules in air tight medicine bottles- redid my modules and drilled holes in the bottles. 2- I may not have been seating my bullets with enough pressure and 3 (this one I feel foolish about) I was loading the module in front of the ejector and not setting it on the lip of it. Since then my last 10 shots have went boom and accuracy is great! I still need to practice being a better shooter but I’ll take it!! Rereading this ,with the modules stored in an air tight medicine bottle what effect did this cause?
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Post by buckeye68 on Dec 23, 2023 10:00:47 GMT -5
Well I feel foolish - I believe I have solved my issue - thanks to several people on this forum (buckeye!) and my gun builder. One problem is I was storing my loaded primer modules in air tight medicine bottles- redid my modules and drilled holes in the bottles. 2- I may not have been seating my bullets with enough pressure and 3 (this one I feel foolish about) I was loading the module in front of the ejector and not setting it on the lip of it. Since then my last 10 shots have went boom and accuracy is great! I still need to practice being a better shooter but I’ll take it!! Rereading this ,with the modules stored in an air tight medicine bottle what effect did this cause? Misfires. From what I’ve seen and experienced, primers has to breathe. Over a 2.5 years timeframe I’ve always had issues with misfires even tho I did my best to keep fired modules in a completely different color plastic container and loaded modules in a clear glass container to make sure I didn’t pick up a spent module on accident. How hard is it?? Even with this method I still had issues with misfires. I even got to the point of checking them before I installed a module to make sure it’s was unfired. A KY Challenge was coming up and I was doing my best to prepare for it. Depending on my schedule and the weather I alway start going to the range 2-4 week before a match. I just finished with my second range session and was completely out of modules so I loaded all my modules with new primers and put them I my glass container. Next range day I was unload all my gear and setup my bench and when I pulled out my jar of primers I noticed a gritty colored residue all over the inside of the jar. I cleaned everything and put them back in the jar. Out of that jar and I ended up with 1 misfire. Needless to say I learned my lesson the hard and every frustrating way. I now store all of my loaded modules in an empty plastic bullet box that is open to all the atmosphere of conditions. When you buy new primers they come in a plastic tray with heavy duty paper covering them. The manufacturer ships them that way for a reason. I was try to protect them from the elements and organized but it cost me a couple of wins at the KY Challenge because of it.
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Post by SURESHOT on Dec 23, 2023 10:31:48 GMT -5
Rereading this ,with the modules stored in an air tight medicine bottle what effect did this cause? Misfires. From what I’ve seen and experienced, primers has to breathe. Over a 2.5 years timeframe I’ve always had issues with misfires even tho I did my best to keep fired modules in a completely different color plastic container and loaded modules in a clear glass container to make sure I didn’t pick up a spent module on accident. How hard is it?? Even with this method I still had issues with misfires. I even got to the point of checking them before I installed a module to make sure it’s was unfired. A KY Challenge was coming up and I was doing my best to prepare for it. Depending on my schedule and the weather I alway start going to the range 2-4 week before a match. I just finished with my second range session and was completely out of modules so I loaded all my modules with new primers and put them I my glass container. Next range day I was unload all my gear and setup my bench and when I pulled out my jar of primers I noticed a gritty colored residue all over the inside of the jar. I cleaned everything and put them back in the jar. Out of that jar and I ended up with 1 misfire. Needless to say I learned my lesson the hard and every frustrating way. I now store all of my loaded modules in an empty plastic bullet box that is open to all the atmosphere of conditions. When you buy new primers they come in a plastic tray with heavy duty paper covering them. The manufacturer ships them that way for a reason. I was try to protect them from the elements and organized but it cost me a couple of wins at the KY Challenge because of it. Good info, have not yet had a misfire more than likely sooner or later I will, I purchased from Harbor Freight a plastic container with cut to fit trays storing everything for my CVA , powder vials, die, wads, funnel ect. and for modules primed and as for the fired modules they are put on the other side of the tray to seperate them. This tray is roughly 2.5 inches thick, 10 inches wide and 12 inches long with a latch on three sides and a gasket seal. cost around $9.00 again thanks for the reply!
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Post by dennis on Dec 23, 2023 10:57:02 GMT -5
Rereading this ,with the modules stored in an air tight medicine bottle what effect did this cause? Misfires. This was my experience also . From what I’ve seen and experienced, primers has to breathe. Over a 2.5 years timeframe I’ve always had issues with misfires even tho I did my best to keep fired modules in a completely different color plastic container and loaded modules in a clear glass container to make sure I didn’t pick up a spent module on accident. How hard is it?? Even with this method I still had issues with misfires. I even got to the point of checking them before I installed a module to make sure it’s was unfired. A KY Challenge was coming up and I was doing my best to prepare for it. Depending on my schedule and the weather I alway start going to the range 2-4 week before a match. I just finished with my second range session and was completely out of modules so I loaded all my modules with new primers and put them I my glass container. Next range day I was unload all my gear and setup my bench and when I pulled out my jar of primers I noticed a gritty colored residue all over the inside of the jar. I cleaned everything and put them back in the jar. Out of that jar and I ended up with 1 misfire. Needless to say I learned my lesson the hard and every frustrating way. I now store all of my loaded modules in an empty plastic bullet box that is open to all the atmosphere of conditions. When you buy new primers they come in a plastic tray with heavy duty paper covering them. The manufacturer ships them that way for a reason. I was try to protect them from the elements and organized but it cost me a couple of wins at the KY Challenge because of it. This has been my experience also.
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Post by ballistic on Dec 23, 2023 13:56:55 GMT -5
A friend recently had several primer failures in a 6.5 creedmore. After much discussion I learned that he had used a q-tip soaked with carb cleaner to clean the (carbon residue) insides of the necks (cases were primed) before putting the powder and then seating the bullets. He did this on every round in that order. You wouldn’t think that made 1/2 of the shells not fire - but it did. (Carb cleaner evaporates almost instantly). Primers can dry out even when completely soaked in water (I’ve tested this as my son is the owner of a flood and fire restoration company) for several days - but they need to breathe to do this. I agree to keeping primers breathable.
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Post by james72 on Dec 24, 2023 9:02:13 GMT -5
Sorry just saw this. Been out of town on business and just now catching up. I’m within an hour of you, maybe I could have helped. I initially had some issues with misfires. My cause was a choked barrel causing me to size my bullets too small. Several members on this board helped me solve my problem and now my CVA Scout is very reliable and shoots fantastic. I didn’t know you shouldn’t store the primers sealed though. I was storing mine in a ziplock freezer bag inside my muzzleloader tackle box. I will remove them from the ziplock bag. Thanks.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 24, 2023 9:33:19 GMT -5
a few days ago I was in the stand with my Apex .40 in which I use DI, a bobcat came out and posed for me, with the crosshair rested between his eyes and me thinking, this is not going to be pretty, the gun snapped, I cocked and snapped it 2 more times before Mr. kitty decided it better to leave.
I know for a fact the primer was unfired when I screwed it in, it was caved in from the three strikes but after knocking it out I saw it definitely was unfired. This was the first time in my 50+ years of hunting that a bad primer cost me an animal, yes I have had bad primers during shooting sessions like has been described and for what I determined was the same culprit, stored in a sealed container. This one wasn't, it was just a bad primer.
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Post by yoderjac on Dec 24, 2023 13:31:20 GMT -5
I wonder if the ammo shortage of recent years has pressed factories to focus more on volume than on QC. We only have anecdotal data on failure rates which can be misleading. Just thinking out loud...
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Post by smokelessk on Dec 24, 2023 15:15:59 GMT -5
a few days ago I was in the stand with my Apex .40 in which I use DI, a bobcat came out and posed for me, with the crosshair rested between his eyes and me thinking, this is not going to be pretty, the gun snapped, I cocked and snapped it 2 more times before Mr. kitty decided it better to leave. I know for a fact the primer was unfired when I screwed it in, it was caved in from the three strikes but after knocking it out I saw it definitely was unfired. This was the first time in my 50+ years of hunting that a bad primer cost me an animal, yes I have had bad primers during shooting sessions like has been described and for what I determined was the same culprit, stored in a sealed container. This one wasn't, it was just a bad primer. Well that's not a way I would prefer to conduct dry fire practice for sure! That is some rotten luck, other than kitty kitty's luck that day. I guess the situation does put a slightly different perspective on DI vs HIS. Kitty may have still been a dead critter if it was HIS. Primer failure was really never a thought of mine when comparing the two. I am still going to use DI for my break action though.
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