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Post by susiekiller on Nov 26, 2023 16:27:39 GMT -5
Hello all. I'm looking for some starting loads for a 285 gr. Fury Universal .50 bullet to bore out of a Savage ML10-II. I have searched the boards and have found a wealth of information, but nothing that is giving me specific starting points.
I have had great success shooting 270 gr. Parkers over 60 grains of IMR 4198 out of a Savage ML10 that I converted to a .45 with a Brux pre-fit barrel. That was my first bullet to bore set up and I was very impressed. The Fury Universal Fit were recommended as a good option for a bullet to bore set up in a .50 rifle. Was hoping to get some input on starting loads from you experts. I currently have IMR 4198, H322, N110, and a little bit of SR4759 to choose from. Thank you in advance.
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 4, 2023 9:48:27 GMT -5
Anyone?
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Post by buckeye68 on Dec 4, 2023 13:49:04 GMT -5
Sorry, but I only have experience with the 40 and 45 caliber stuff. No 50 for me.
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Post by Ice on Dec 4, 2023 18:33:30 GMT -5
Still maintain a couple of ML-II but with saboted loads. Sorry nothing full bore.
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Post by dennis on Dec 4, 2023 18:43:11 GMT -5
Ice I killed a lot of deer with my ml2 when I had it. At that time it was the best ml I had ever owned or shot. I have had 2 cva break action SML rifles an Apex and a Scout and would not go back to sabots. Nothing wrong with using what you have 👍
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 4, 2023 20:02:18 GMT -5
Would any of you guys have any heartburn over 65 grains of IMR 4198 as a starting load for a full bore 285 grain .50 bullet?
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Post by Ice on Dec 4, 2023 20:13:34 GMT -5
Ice I killed a lot of deer with my ml2 when I had it. At that time it was the best ml I had ever owned or shot. I have had 2 cvs break action SML rifles an Apex and a Scout and would not go back to sabots. Nothing wrong with using what you have 👍 By maintaining, I mean in case of emergency for friends and family. I may shoot them every couple of years to make sure. 44 grains AA5744, 300 gr XTP, black harvester crush ribbed sabot. About 1.25 moa out of both of them. Been shooting RemPac for 15 years and have since added a couple more. Just something that keeps me from parting with any gun 🤣! |
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Post by Ice on Dec 4, 2023 20:18:57 GMT -5
Would any of you guys have any heartburn over 65 grains of IMR 4198 as a starting load for a full bore 285 grain .50 bullet? the sabot acts as a safety check with pressure. Too much, too hot and the sabot fails/blows. The bullet to bore is less forgiving. Additionally, I’ve never used 4198 in my 50s. |
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 4, 2023 22:28:55 GMT -5
Thanks Ice.
What powders are you using in your 50s?
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Post by booner22 on Dec 4, 2023 22:44:59 GMT -5
My load in the 50 was 67grns of 4198 with a 300gr bullet.
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 5, 2023 7:59:38 GMT -5
Thanks for the info booner.
Was that bullet to bore or with a sabot?
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Post by Ice on Dec 5, 2023 15:02:09 GMT -5
Thanks Ice. What powders are you using in your 50s? The long gone IMR SR 4759 and AA 5744, 44 grains, 300 gr XTP and crushed rib sabot. Always goes boom and deer moa easy to 200yds. |
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 5, 2023 15:50:02 GMT -5
Nice. Yeah I have half a can of SR 4759 left.
Thanks for your input. This smokeless muzzleloader stuff is new to me. I appreciate y'all's info.
Thanks.
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Post by booner22 on Dec 6, 2023 21:12:54 GMT -5
Thanks for the info booner. Was that bullet to bore or with a sabot? 300gr with sabot, way back when I used to shoot the savage I don’t think anyone was having luck with bullet to bore in the 50. |
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Post by smokelessk on Dec 7, 2023 1:15:06 GMT -5
Thanks for the info booner. Was that bullet to bore or with a sabot? 300gr with sabot, way back when I used to shoot the savage I don’t think anyone was having luck with bullet to bore in the 50. From what I remember of the savage days the bore dimensions were not very consistent. Some guns would have a tighter bore than others. Using sabots helped make up for the difference between guns. I never attempted bullet to bore and I don't believe it worked out for most that did. Hence why there is so little information available to help with your quest. The days of innovation and development with the savage are in the past. Obuteration with bullet to bore is critical to get good performance. With the front sealing design of the breech plug in the savage trying to push the limits to get better obuteration is not likely going to be a successful endeavor. |
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 7, 2023 8:30:27 GMT -5
Well that makes sense. I appreciate the info.
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Post by smokelessk on Dec 7, 2023 9:40:21 GMT -5
Well that makes sense. I appreciate the info. Best of luck and be cautious is all I can really say. Like mentioned already, bullet to bore you're removing the safety relief of sabots failing before reaching more dangerous pressure. That and the front sealing plug. Press your limits with that design and it's just getting you closer to the breech plug leaking. Then the barrel is gas cut and so is the plug. |
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Post by smokelessk on Dec 7, 2023 14:59:32 GMT -5
Well that makes sense. I appreciate the info. Something else I was thinking about. This rifle, it depends on what sort of service life you expect to get out of it. If it were me, for the longest service life, I would ditch the bullet to bore plan and shoot sabots and book loads. Reasons being. Main reason, the not so superior design of the front sealing plug. In my Savage, the one I actually used, I only ever fired book loads. 44 grains of 5744 and a 300 grain bullet in a Harvester sabot. Around 800 shots through the gun the breech plug began leaking. It had gas cutting on the face, the barrel also had matching gas cutting. There are a few ways to repair it. 1 rebarrel the gun and replace the plug. 2 set the barrel back and machine away the gas cutting inside the breech and replace the plug. Unless you can do the machine work yourself to set the barrel back it's going to cost you some $$$ for the repair. Barrel replacement is not going to be inexpensive either. Then the other dilemma, getting a shop to do the work. Many smokeless builders won't touch the Savage anymore. Savage isn't going to help you either. They disowned the rifle years ago, literally, the parts are gone and they won't even talk about the rifle. So, if you want to really use the gun long term I would stick with the book loads. It might be a suitable firearm for many years, or it might have a leaking plug next time you take it to the range. I sold both of mine years ago. One was sold to Savage and they melted it down, literally. The other one I sold new in box on gunbroker. |
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Post by susiekiller on Dec 7, 2023 19:00:10 GMT -5
I replaced the breech plug with one from Arrowhead. I am the second owner so I didn't know how many shots have been fired through it. Figured replacing the plug was cheap insurance. Will most likely rebarrel it to .45 in the future. Arrowhead recommended the Fury's for a bullet to bore option, but offered no load data. Fury didn't even over load data. Which I thought was odd, but now I realize that there's just not much of a following out there. And for probably good reason.
Thank you for your information. And thank you to everyone who has offered info.
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Post by smokelessk on Dec 8, 2023 3:57:50 GMT -5
I replaced the breech plug with one from Arrowhead. I am the second owner so I didn't know how many shots have been fired through it. Figured replacing the plug was cheap insurance. Will most likely rebarrel it to .45 in the future. Arrowhead recommended the Fury's for a bullet to bore option, but offered no load data. Fury didn't even over load data. Which I thought was odd, but now I realize that there's just not much of a following out there. And for probably good reason. Thank you for your information. And thank you to everyone who has offered info. You're welcome. My curiosity is with the 50 caliber Fury bullets. Making a bullet is no small expense. They make them, who is buying them? There must be some market for the product, right? |
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