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Post by jeepeater on Mar 22, 2023 18:37:20 GMT -5
I guess I’ve just never noticed how different stocks change felt recoil.
I have a Mesa action with .45 Brux #17, 26” no fluting with Hankins self timing muzzle brake. It sits in a HS Precision PST035, bedded with JB weld. Recoil pad is a stock HS dense rubber. Stock weight about 40 ounces.
Another Mesa/Brux #17 with hybrid flutes finished at 27”, same brake, and should be very close weight wise to the 26” non fluted. It sits in a McMillan Game Hunter that I had to open up from Rem varmint contour channel to fit the #17 Brux. It’s also bedded with JB weld. It’s got a Pachmyer decelerator pad on it. Stock weighs about 24 ounces.
Shooting the same stiff load of H4895 behind 300 and 325 Pittman Aeromax’s, the McMillan stock produces noticeably less felt recoil.
I find it interesting that there’s so much difference in the felt recoil with the stocks being the only major difference. Even more interesting that the McMillan stock weighs at least a pound less than the HS stock.
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Post by Richard on Mar 22, 2023 20:59:43 GMT -5
Right off the bat you have two different recoil pads. The one that kicks more has a dense rubber pad whereas the McMillan has a decelerator pad which eases the recoil??
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Post by hillbill on Mar 22, 2023 21:06:38 GMT -5
+2 on what Richard said.
I no longer use HS stocks for that very reason, they still use the Uncle Mikes recoil pad and it has to be the worst pad in existence, there is a world of difference between the Decelerator pad on the Mcmillan and the pad on the HS, but otherwise they are good stocks.
I would bet If you changed to a 1" Decelerator on the HS recoil would be similar.
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Post by jeepeater on Mar 22, 2023 21:22:41 GMT -5
I’ll try a decelerator on the HS, but I’m thinking it’s more than just the pad.
I hate doing pads on HS stocks because they’re glued on and it takes more work to get a new pad on correctly.
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Post by SURESHOT on Mar 23, 2023 7:02:37 GMT -5
I’ll try a decelerator on the HS, but I’m thinking it’s more than just the pad. I hate doing pads on HS stocks because they’re glued on and it takes more work to get a new pad on correctly. Just a thought, I purchased a Decelerator slip on black recoil pad for some guns I shoot for others with no brake, it makes a big difference with recoil. run around $25.00 +/- |
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Post by dannoboone on Mar 23, 2023 10:59:35 GMT -5
+2 on what Richard said. I no longer use HS stocks for that very reason, they still use the Uncle Mikes recoil pad and it has to be the worst pad in existence, Never shot a rifle with that recoil pad, but if it's worse than the pad which comes standard on a Boyd's stock, it may as well be hard plastic! |
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Post by Sideshow on Mar 24, 2023 3:56:45 GMT -5
I’ll try a decelerator on the HS, but I’m thinking it’s more than just the pad. I hate doing pads on HS stocks because they’re glued on and it takes more work to get a new pad on correctly. There is a Ton of evidence that stock design very much effects recoil impulse and control of it !!! I dont doubt your obsevation a bit on that as a general statement on stocks . Yes a good pad will mitigate that recoil but its not the sole determination for it , heavy or lighter in weight . I also agree whole heartedly glue on pads is nonsense !!! Thankfully its not too difficult to change that to a screw on design or even adjust LOP in the process . Personally i dont have much appreciation for slip-on pads at all either . Stock fit and design for whatever the task at hand is , is a very intimate thing It Matters !!! Honestly both your stocks are quality ones period . Dont take me wrong on that !!! I just looked up your HS stock , a long range prone job . Did they offer a Decellorator for it back then because now its a option ?? Be my luck they didnt or i didnt see it !!! |
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Post by hillbill on Mar 24, 2023 4:24:34 GMT -5
Yes it's a PITA to change the pad out but I will guarantee it will make a huge difference, been there, done that.
the 1" decelerator will have to be a grind to fit but it will be worth it.
HS stocks are pretty well built with a good fit and finish but a lot of guys will not use them because of their pads.
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Post by flattopusa on Mar 24, 2023 6:45:01 GMT -5
Many years ago I had an Interarms Mark X in 30-06.....that was the most brutal rifle (recoil wise) I have ever shot. Off the bench it was unbearable and off hand it wasn't much better. It had a hard recoil pad and the stock design (for me) was the worst. Others at our club shot the rifle with mixed reviews...some said the recoil was negligible, and others hated it. I eventually changed the recoil pad but that didn't help much...I sold the rifle.
I learned something by that experience. "Felt recoil", sometimes requires more than a different recoil pad...it may require a different stock design. "For me" that Mark X stock design just didn't make the grade. I am not recoil sensitive... having shot BIG bores (375 H&H Mag, 495 A-Square, 505 Gibbs, and even a 50 BMG bolt gun) for most of my life, so the recoil of that Mark X in the diminutive 30-06 should have been a breeze for me....it wasn't! I guess my body just didnt fit the stock.
I prefer Decelerator recoil pads.....they are the best affordable pad I have found, but, the stock design may be the culprit as well...a quarter to half inch change in the comb, heel, toe and grip or slight alterations to the datum line, length of pull, or offset can make a big different in felt recoil and point-ability.
I would try a different recoil pad first (the cheaper route) and save the stock replacement as a last resort.
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Post by jeepeater on Mar 24, 2023 8:34:59 GMT -5
I’ll try a decelerator on the HS, but I’m thinking it’s more than just the pad. I hate doing pads on HS stocks because they’re glued on and it takes more work to get a new pad on correctly. There is a Ton of evidence that stock design very much effects recoil impulse and control of it !!! I dont doubt your obsevation a bit on that as a general statement on stocks . Yes a good pad will mitigate that recoil but its not the sole determination for it , heavy or lighter in weight . I also agree whole heartedly glue on pads is nonsense !!! Thankfully its not too difficult to change that to a screw on design or even adjust LOP in the process . Personally i dont have much appreciation for slip-on pads at all either . Stock fit and design for whatever the task at hand is , is a very intimate thing It Matters !!! Honestly both your stocks are quality ones period . Dont take me wrong on that !!! I just looked up your HS stock , a long range prone job . Did they offer a Decellorator for it back then because now its a option ?? Be my luck they didnt or i didnt see it !!! The HS stock is only a year or so old. It came from Red Hawk rifles, and was on sale at a good price, in stock, so I grabbed it. HS may offer the Pachmayr pads, but it wasn’t an option from where I got it. I didn’t like the pad out of the box, and don’t care for the slip on pads either. I’ll change it out with a grind to fit Pachmayr and compare to the McMillan again. If there’s still a marked difference in felt recoil, someone will get a good deal on a slightly used HS with upgraded pad, and I’ll get a stock I like. Lol |
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Post by Sideshow on Mar 25, 2023 13:06:37 GMT -5
Jeepeater
Gosh i hate to think of you having to go thru a stock change . Its truly sad ya just cant walk in to whatever shop and pick a few up and feel them Before you buy like you can with many/most recoil pads !!! The cost of a pad is Nothing in comparison of a stock and No Biggie if you find you dont like that brand or style . Whatever way you go i wish you well in it but i hope its just a pad addition !!!
I know a stock i really like they can no longer export them here . Id like another one . The company , Wildcat Composites , is trying but who knows these days ?? Theyre regarded as the Best in the ultralight / sheep / mountain / wilderness / big bear country world of rifle stocks . Hard to believe but those guys use flip-flop shoe soles for a pad Even with sub 7lb scoped 338 or 375 super magnum wildcat screamers !!! Who notices recoil when that grizzly is chargeing ?? Good stocks .
Politics just arent friendly today Anywhere !!!. Sure Hope that gets fixed .
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Post by jeepeater on Mar 25, 2023 21:33:24 GMT -5
Jeepeater Gosh i hate to think of you having to go thru a stock change . Its truly sad ya just cant walk in to whatever shop and pick a few up and feel them Before you buy like you can with many/most recoil pads !!! The cost of a pad is Nothing in comparison of a stock and No Biggie if you find you dont like that brand or style . Whatever way you go i wish you well in it but i hope its just a pad addition !!! I know a stock i really like they can no longer export them here . Id like another one . The company , Wildcat Composites , is trying but who knows these days ?? Theyre regarded as the Best in the ultralight / sheep / mountain / wilderness / big bear country world of rifle stocks . Hard to believe but those guys use flip-flop shoe soles for a pad Even with sub 7lb scoped 338 or 375 super magnum wildcat screamers !!! Who notices recoil when that grizzly is chargeing ?? Good stocks . Politics just arent friendly today Anywhere !!!. Sure Hope that gets fixed . Meh, it’ll be good to grind a nice pad to fit the HS stock. I like the stock, and hope the pad makes it even better. I can always find a buddy that wants it more than I do if I decide to go with something different. I hear ya on the stupid people that make simple things hard. Just in the last few weeks they put sanctions on the developer of Strelok ballistic app. Supposedly it’s because he’s a Russian national and they think Russian snipers are using the app in Ukraine. He’s a super nice guy, and works like crazy to improve the app, takes every single suggestion and interacts with the guys using the app every day. |
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Post by ballistic on Mar 25, 2023 23:41:30 GMT -5
HS precision makes a really good stock. The aluminum bedding block design is right at the top for a hunting stock although it’s not the lightest. The stock in question has been used by myself and several others with great results- and even a few heavy kicking muzzys pushing heavy bullets. Hopefully a softer pad does the trick for you. The dual swivels in the front can be a big help in setting up a bipod in front and sling behind. It keeps the bipod from digging into your shoulder when carrying. The stock is more of a prone shooting tactical stock- not benchrest. I don’t see any reason that this stock will not work and work well -other than the pad issue you’re having. JMO - best wishes.
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