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Post by shane on Jan 1, 2016 13:36:51 GMT -5
There was no real explanation on their website
As to the differences in the two lines of scopes.
The newer SHV Line is $500-750 cheaper,
they must have cut corners?
Can anyone enlighten me on the differences?
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 1, 2016 15:02:04 GMT -5
Every scope MFG has multiple lines. As those lines progress from top bottom to top they add more features and also quality lever....be it in features or components. I done a little home work on the NightForce last fall as I purchased one. Their quality is top shelf. Durability is second to none. But they are priced accordingly. From top to bottom. On the SHV I don't seem to see Target turrets on them. At least there are no moa numbers showing on the turrets. I also noticed on their spec sheet that the SHV only has 80 moa of elevation and 50min of windage where the NXS has 100inches of elevation and 60 inches of windage. The NXS also has the ZERO stop feature which allows you to return to your ZERO without going past it.....I look at is more as added features and options add $ not cheapening up anything. These are just a few things I observed . I have the NXS 8X32 with the MOART reticle. And I like it very much. Hope this is of some help
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Post by shane on Jan 1, 2016 15:44:19 GMT -5
Thanks Droptine!
I dont think i would miss decreased
elevation/windage and wouldnt miss turrents, because
I put Kenton Knobs on my scopes.
I may have to pickup the New SHV illum.
Seems like a good deal if there is same quality
Glass, coatings, & QC.
Anyone else?
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Post by shane on Jan 1, 2016 16:02:36 GMT -5
Drop,
So if u dont use NF rings and bases, they dont
Stand by their product?
I wont pay 3X the cost for bases/rings.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 1, 2016 16:30:44 GMT -5
To my knowledge they don't specify rings or base as far as warranty goes. I just chose to use their complete system. Cashy ? Very! . There are other bases and rings out there that will match performance. Without matching their price. I am a steel on steel guy when it comes to bases. And I like steel rings. Murphy bases are a good base and So are Ken Farrel. But Ken Farrel are aluminum I believe. Personally not for me. HOWEVER Richard made reference to a product that is just like the Farrel base offered by Brownells BUT made of steel now I am interested! If I understand correctly the Farrel base is made with the screw holes TAPERED rather than having a square shoulder. Therefore giving more surface contact on the screw head...creating a more secure mechanical connection. I do know that when using a Murphy or a NightForce the hole' are shouldered and you need to push them forward when you begin to tighten them....Plus now I always bed them. This has proven to make these 2bases work very effectively for my application.
Shane
I would recomend you call NightForce and talk with a tech about your application. The NXZ I have has less elevation than an ATACR scope . So they recommended a 20moa base. As that will allow me more elevation...while still keeping my scope elevation neutral in the sweet spot of adjustment.....Complex sounding . But all these little things add up to accuracy.
If you wish you can PM me your number and a time frame . I would be glad to help and go more in depth if you wish.
good luck
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 17:07:53 GMT -5
I priced nightforce rings against some of the other top brands and price was comparable.
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Post by shane on Jan 1, 2016 19:04:37 GMT -5
I checked Optics Planet and i didnt see
anything in the price Of Weaver or Burris Tactical. Both heavy gauge, 6 hole, aluminum rings, that
Have a 1/2" nut to tighten up on The picatinny mount.
Cant see why Night Force is any better
As far as rings and mounts.
Maybe im wrong or missing something?
Im definitely no expert, but they seem to be
Way overpriced and ur paying for the Name?
The scopes however are Proven.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2016 19:20:55 GMT -5
I checked Optics Planet and i didnt see anything in the price Of Weaver or Burris Tactical. Both heavy gauge, 6 hole, aluminum rings, that Have a 1/2" nut to tighten up on The picatinny mount. Cant see why Night Force is any better As far as rings and mounts. Maybe im wrong or missing something? Im definitely no expert, but they seem to be Way overpriced and ur paying for the Name? The scopes however are Proven. Well, I've got nightforce rings on a brand new never been fired sml bolt gun. And I'm fixin' to put the coals to it so I'll/we'll see. May get up to 78gr IMR4198 with one of those new fangled accumax bullets |
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Post by shane on Jan 1, 2016 20:13:10 GMT -5
Dem' bulits' look MEAN too!!!!
They sure did tge job on that video.
I think "Lapua" was even Impressed!!!!!
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Post by rlp10ml on Jan 2, 2016 9:37:43 GMT -5
I have the SHV 4-14 MOAR Illum. on my Muzzleloader and absolutely love it.I was told by Nightforce that the glass in the SHV and the NXS is the same.The 4-14 does not have zero stop but the 5-20 SHV does have zero stop.Turrets are obviously different being capped but they are very nice.The 5-20 SHV does have a taller capped target elevation turret also.Well worth the money.......
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Post by rlp10ml on Jan 2, 2016 10:50:34 GMT -5
The SHV 5-20 is the 80 MOA Elevation and 50 MOA Windage adjustments.As far as the other SHV's the 4-14 has 100 MOA Elev. and 80 MOA Wind. adjustments and the 3-10 has 90 MOA Elev. and 80 MOA Wind. Ken Ton is now making Turrets for the SHV also....
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 2, 2016 10:53:39 GMT -5
Would be wise to set down with w pencil and paper ....write down the specs and compare them side by side to avoid any confusion
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Post by Hank on Jan 2, 2016 20:29:45 GMT -5
I checked Optics Planet and i didnt see anything in the price Of Weaver or Burris Tactical. Both heavy gauge, 6 hole, aluminum rings, that Have a 1/2" nut to tighten up on The picatinny mount. Cant see why Night Force is any better As far as rings and mounts. Maybe im wrong or missing something? Im definitely no expert, but they seem to be Way overpriced and ur paying for the Name? The scopes however are Proven.
Shane..
You are not paying for the name.. You are paying for quality. If you can hold a Nightforce ring in one hand and a Weaver ring in the other hand you will know instantly which ring you will want to mount your $1200.00 scope in.
Yes the nut is 1/2 inch outside but the cross bolt is different. On the Weaver and other less expensive rings the cross bolt is 8-32 a .150 thousandths diameter bolt. On the Nightforce and other more expensive rings the cross bolt is 1/4-28 a .250 thousandths diameter bolt. Plus the Nightforce and other more expensive rings are machined from quality materials as pairs and kept together as sets. The less expensive rings are mass produced from the cheapest material and manufacturing methods available, caps go in one barrel, bottoms go in another barrel, the cross bolts, side lock clamps and nuts are in another barrel.... When all the barrels are full, someone gets to put the rings together.
The picture is of two less expensive rings on the left and a Nightforce ring on the right. You can see the cross bolts. The Nightforce cross bolt is pressed into the ring and has a flat machined on both sides to ride against the flat walls of the Picatinny rail. The less expensive rings just has a round bolt to slide around where ever it wants to go.
Learning from experience is priceless, some of the guys that was at the fall Kentucky Challenge Shoot will remember Wayne Burns, I mounted his heavy Leupold scope in a set of Burris Signature rings with the plastic inserts on a rifle I built for him a few days before the shoot. The inserts are designed to allow the scope to be adjusted for MOA if need be and automatic correction if the rings or base is miss-aligned.. Wayne was shooting all over the place and we could not figure out why... Untill Mark Bruckelmyer came along. He noticed the scope was moving in the rings between the plastic inserts. We tightened the screw some and Wayne continued shooting., Shot real good for awhile, then went to crap again. looked at the scope and sure enough it moved again, tighten up the screws some more, shot some more. Happened again. We finally bottomed the ring caps against the bottoms and this was as tight as we were going to get it. The scope continued to move the rest of the weekend but even with all the trouble Wayne had on the first day, he still was able to shoot good enough to place third in the over all Kentucky Challenge Shoot.
These SML's have some massive recoil, even with a brake, The scope will take a beating. Others know that it takes a heck of a ring and base set to hold these things on and if you buy cheap, you will be buying again very soon.....
Hillbill can chime in and tell you about all the scopes he has seen move on these rigs, even in some good quality rings, so bite the bullet so to say and get the good stuff to start with.
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Post by shane on Jan 2, 2016 20:59:08 GMT -5
Experience is the BEST Teacher!!!!
Thats why i come here, to get real world answers!!!
Thanks guys!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2016 22:47:24 GMT -5
Nightforce rings reside on my scope for the very reasons Jeff pointed out.
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