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Post by flagman on Jan 3, 2016 11:45:13 GMT -5
The Zeiss Conquest Rapid Z 800s in 4.5-14 AO were my favorite on mls, then the side focus, ao, started going bad. Fortunately the scope would still function, but after having 5 go bad, I have eliminated them completely, add to that the service at Zeiss is very slow. Optically they were superior to Leupold, which is what I have now and one Nightforce NXS. I like ballistic reticles for hunting out west and the Leupold VX3 30mm Longrange scopes with the Long Range Varmint Reticle is perfect at my elevation, Ray
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Post by jims on Jan 3, 2016 14:16:35 GMT -5
flagman: You are making me feel bad. I think I have one of those on a .45. Fortunately I do not shoot it often or with high power loads.
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Post by flagman on Jan 3, 2016 17:00:23 GMT -5
jims, Ive had one on a 300wsm and never had any problems, but it got shot very little. I recently switched to a Nightforce on this gun however just because of all the problemson the mls. As I stated the reticle and zoom feature worked still, just not the adjustable objective. Zeiss has changed this scope now and may have solved the problem. The AO feature seems to be the weakness in most scopes mountd on heavy recoiling rifles from what Ive read. Ray
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Post by schunter on Jan 3, 2016 17:00:40 GMT -5
I voted Zeiss as I had the side focus go out on one at the last Kentucky Challenge. It was a 2 year old 4.5-14x50 Conquest (not HD5). I was shooting heavy doses of BH209 in this gun. The scope was mounted in a DNZ one piece mount which I have come to like on this gun and my other smokeless. Zeiss replaced it in a week with a 3-15x50 HD5 that I haven't mounted yet so don't know how it is going to hold up to the heavy dose of BH209.
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Post by chiefkillumdeer on Jan 12, 2016 8:49:20 GMT -5
bought a new 3-12x50 Leica with illuminated dot ad target turrets. Putting it on my new Hankins SML. Will let you know how it works out. Amen to good one piece steel bases and six screw rings. Have had them on my lapua, .416 Rigby, and .300 Ultra mag with no issues. Was running night forces with them. Hoping if this Leica is as mechanically sound as their glass quality is and as well as their rang finders work, Ill be happy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2016 22:55:22 GMT -5
One thing that has been mentioned shooting the mighty ml2 was that the older leupold vx111 holds up better to recoil than the newer VX3....More than a few have reported this and since leupold has a lifetime guarantee...If you run up on an older vx111 without the parallax adj....don't be scared of mounting it on your Hotrod and giving it a ride....I have 3 and no problems so far...Knock on wood,lol...
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Post by 10gaauto on Jan 21, 2016 11:28:13 GMT -5
Sure, have killed some scopes with my SML shooting. Notice the 0 votes for the Burris, that is interesting but could indicate there are fewer Burris sitting atop hotrod SML. Currently have Weaver, Bushnell and Burris scopes on my 5 SML. Have 2 very old model Weaver scopes, model types not sure but they are steel tubes and glass and not so light and have worked flawlessly. The Encore conversion wears the Bushnell, a Banner model but it never really sees hot and high recoil loads. Currently don't really shoot long distance but that is changing with current build and this is an interesting thread for gathering information and decision making on the new glass choice. 10
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Post by mike on Jan 21, 2016 14:05:57 GMT -5
The sample quantity (19) is far too low for any valid conclusion to be drawn. The other side of this question is how many specific scope brand users have never experienced any malfunction. I'm sure there are far more high-end brand (Leupold, Zeis, Swarovski, Night Force, etc.) scopes being used by us enthusiasts than the plethora of lower priced scopes. I would bet when calculated on a percentage basis that there is a much lower percentage of malfunctions with high-end scopes.
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 21, 2016 15:37:53 GMT -5
The sample quantity (19) is far too low for any valid conclusion to be drawn. The other side of this question is how many specific scope brand users have never experienced any malfunction. I'm sure there are far more high-end brand (Leupold, Zeis, Swarovski, Night Force, etc.) scopes being used by us enthusiasts than the plethora of lower priced scopes. I would bet when calculated on a percentage basis that there is a much lower percentage of malfunctions with high-end scopes. Another important factor effecting scope failure is the mounting system. One can wreck a $1G+ scope just as fast as a $100 scope. Soon after Doug started his board and the popularity of the 10MLII grew, people began posting about their scope failures. I began taking note of the mounting systems each time it was mentioned. To make a very long story short, the fewest failures reported were from those who had one-piece mounts, properly bedded, and good quality rings. I've done that ever since, and have not yet (knock on wood) had a scope failure on any of my rifles. My most expensive scopes are a Bushnell 4200 (on a Mod 112 in .25-06) and a Viper Vortex on a converted 10MLII. Practically everything has Burris Signature Rings, but some do not like them because they can allow the scope to slip on the heavy recoilers if one doesn't use a little adhesive when mounting.
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