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Post by klook on Oct 5, 2021 17:38:41 GMT -5
I just got my Scout back from Hank, thank you Hank! I am not totally cold turkey with this as my old friend back in Maine has one and loves it. I immediately started to size some bullets I have on hand, I want to try loads in the 240/250 gr size and I have some Hornady 300 gr hollow points. I set up the die and sized one so it would start with my fingers....it took some hard pressure with the rod and then fell all the way down.....I grabbed a different brand and more carefully sized it till it fit and it did the same thing.....is this normal? I will be getting some wads immediately.
Also, I know the 65 gr load and a Pittman 270 gr is recommended. I am not target shooting and have quite a few TC's and Hornady's. What loads are others having success with using lighter bullets?
Thanks for any info!
Kevin
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Post by dennis on Oct 5, 2021 21:34:14 GMT -5
Sounds like your barrel is choked at the muzzle. Only way I know of correcting it is to lap the barrel, there are many resources of how to accomplish this. I had to lap my Apex barrel when I had it and it wasn't that hard to do but well worth the effort.
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Post by SURESHOT on Oct 6, 2021 5:25:26 GMT -5
Sounds like your barrel is choked at the muzzle. Only way I know of correcting it is to lap the barrel, there are many resources of how to accomplish this. I had to lap my Apex barrel when I had it and it wasn't that hard to do but well worth the effort. Lap the barrel ? can you please explain the or your process on this thanks for your time.... |
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Post by klook on Oct 6, 2021 6:16:08 GMT -5
I understand lapping the barrel, I would be surprised if a modern proof 45-70 barrel had an aggressive choke point. I will look at the end under magnification and bright light. Could be, but I hope not.
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Post by dennis on Oct 6, 2021 7:28:26 GMT -5
Sounds like your barrel is choked at the muzzle. Only way I know of correcting it is to lap the barrel, there are many resources of how to accomplish this. I had to lap my Apex barrel when I had it and it wasn't that hard to do but well worth the effort. Lap the barrel ? can you please explain the or your process on this thanks for your time.... The proper way is to pour a (lead) lap into your barrel, approx. 2" long using an old jag in the looser portion of the barrel remove the lap and rod from the barrel and put silicon carbide lapping compound on the lap reinsert the lap into the barrel and work in back and forth through the barrel concentrating mostly on the tight or choked end. My barrel was not badly choked and I used a 45cal lead bullet drilled the base and screwed in a ball puller for a ramrod then Knurled the bullet and put on silicon carbide and stroked the tight area of the barrel. I could tell when I had achieved the desired results as the tight spot suddenly went away. There are youtube videos of how to make a lap for doing this procedure. Hope this helps. |
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Post by Hank on Oct 6, 2021 14:54:30 GMT -5
You could also have a burr at the crown. If the bullet starts to fall immediately after it gets past the crown, this is most likely the problem. It doesn’t happen often, but it’s a possibility
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Post by klook on Oct 6, 2021 16:07:31 GMT -5
I used a swab made for cleaning a .50 bore and put the Remington bore cleaner that is kinda gritty....put it in my drill and slowly spun it in both directions for about 5 minutes. Yes there was burrs, I could feel them trying to cut my finger if I spun it in the bore and there were chunks of copper visible under magnification. A couple of runs with the swab polished up the crown but the tight bore behind it remains. I will get out and fire it some to see what happens. Bullets pushed from the breech seem to go easier thru the muzzle spot. I have a starter rod that is long enough to just clear it, maybe I will just have to use that.
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Post by ronc on Oct 6, 2021 20:17:03 GMT -5
Lap the barrel ? can you please explain the or your process on this thanks for your time.... The proper way is to pour a (lead) lap into your barrel, approx. 2" long using an old jag in the looser portion of the barrel remove the lap and rod from the barrel and put silicon carbide lapping compound on the lap reinsert the lap into the barrel and work in back and forth through the barrel concentrating mostly on the tight or choked end. My barrel was not badly choked and I used a 45cal lead bullet drilled the base and screwed in a ball puller for a ramrod then Knurled the bullet and put on silicon carbide and stroked the tight area of the barrel. I could tell when I had achieved the desired results as the tight spot suddenly went away. There are youtube videos of how to make a lap for doing this procedure. Hope this helps. Dennis, what grit size compound do you use when you lap that way, 320, 600 or...? I have a barrel that could use a little working on. |
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Post by dennis on Oct 7, 2021 6:35:55 GMT -5
I just got a tube of silicon carbide compound from Advance Auto, all it says on the tube is Valve grinding compound (permatex). The grit did not scratch my barrel but it embeds into the lead lap and just removes very small amounts of metal from the barrel. It feels very agressive but it does not harm the barrel if done only enough to accomplish consistency/bullet resistance when loading.
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Post by Richard on Oct 7, 2021 10:20:06 GMT -5
Klook............you must be Mike's brother or relative. Have Mike give me a call and I will give him my opinion on the lapping OR, get my number from Mike and call me. I have Mike's number in my phone so it comes up when he calls. If you call, leave a message and I will get back to you....too many robo calls and I don't answer unless I know the party.
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Post by ronc on Oct 7, 2021 10:54:00 GMT -5
Thanks Dennis, I've got some coarse and fine valve grinding compound and some 320 grit polishing compound from Brownells. It's a 45 cal Xcaliber barrel I got to trying to find a low cost alternative for a 700ML youth mz but their lapping process leaves a lot to be desired, it's looser on both ends. That's not good enough for SM sized bullets, I'm hoping further lapping might work.
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Post by klook on Oct 7, 2021 16:49:19 GMT -5
Klook............you must be Mike's brother or relative. Have Mike give me a call and I will give him my opinion on the lapping OR, get my number from Mike and call me. I have Mike's number in my phone so it comes up when he calls. If you call, leave a message and I will get back to you....too many robo calls and I don't answer unless I know the party. You are correct sir, love those guns you built for Mike and Allan H. I had your number and email but did not bother you about the loads and problems we (other Alan in the group) were having with ignition in the Omega and Winchester we got from them. Could not justify spending what they did and took the chance on these Scouts as an alternative. The other guy is giddy with his Scout so far, I have not had a chance to shoot mine. I had made the decision to use Hornady bullets in the 240/250 gr size and as it turns out, I cannot get Pittman bullets until he reopens on the 10th of this month. Plus the time to ship them. Also waiting on the mail for wads...... I hunt the last weekend of this month thru the first weekend of Nov. so I need something adequate soon. I am also not sure if my gun range is going to allow me to shoot this gun there. As usual, I will come down to the wire with an unknown weapon in my hands. I will call Mike tonight and get your #. I appreciate your offer to help. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 7, 2021 20:43:45 GMT -5
No problem
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2021 11:22:51 GMT -5
I just got my Scout back from Hank, thank you Hank! I am not totally cold turkey with this as my old friend back in Maine has one and loves it. I immediately started to size some bullets I have on hand, I want to try loads in the 240/250 gr size and I have some Hornady 300 gr hollow points. I set up the die and sized one so it would start with my fingers....it took some hard pressure with the rod and then fell all the way down.....I grabbed a different brand and more carefully sized it till it fit and it did the same thing.....is this normal? I will be getting some wads immediately. Also, I know the 65 gr load and a Pittman 270 gr is recommended. I am not target shooting and have quite a few TC's and Hornady's. What loads are others having success with using lighter bullets? Thanks for any info! Kevin This is a common issue with the Scouts. Everyone I have seen benefits from being lapped and I have seen over 30 of them. They all needed it. Mine was tight at the muzzle and dropped to the powder. It also had a tight spot where the weld is on the barrel. Now it loads smooth and consistent all the way to the powder. It makes sizing so much more controllable. Centerpunch in Dubuque is the only builder I know of that will custom lap a barrel for a muzzie. It is a different game than lapping a centerfire. |
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Post by Richard on Oct 8, 2021 17:44:10 GMT -5
You really only need to lap the lands since you bullet rarely ( maybe a super soft one with a hot charge) ever touch the groves. So pouring a lead lap is useless!
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Post by klook on Oct 9, 2021 6:46:24 GMT -5
Might be a futile exercise as my range has banned any smokeless muzzleloader including the factory Savage. I guess someone blew one up 3 years ago and pissed in their Wheaties. I thought they meant smokeless in a black powder barrel. Going to dig out some normal BP and sight the gun in, then try and get some time on a friends bench in Va with smokeless. Probably go with sabots for the BP. As I said, I always come down to the wire with a questionable gun.....
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 8:07:07 GMT -5
Richard, thank you. You are the first person here that I think gets it. Lapping a barrel for smooth sizing a bullet is a process all its own. The amount of stock removed is minuscule. You are not even really lapping the lands. You in effect are just removing anomalies to regain cylindricity that is lost during the machining process. I have a process and a special tool that makes this job a breeze and only takes a few minutes.
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Post by buckeye68 on Oct 9, 2021 8:59:13 GMT -5
Richard, thank you. You are the first person here that I think gets it. Lapping a barrel for smooth sizing a bullet is a process all its own. The amount of stock removed is minuscule. You are not even really lapping the lands. You in effect are just removing anomalies to regain cylindricity that is lost during the machining process. I have a process and a special tool that makes this job a breeze and only takes a few minutes. Please share your process and your special tool if you don’t mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2021 9:53:17 GMT -5
After design and development of this process I passed it on to my local builder (one of the best IMHO) and he now owns the rights to it. He offers it as a paid service for existing guns and a process used on the new ones. It just works and the results are really impressive. I dont feel comfortable promoting another builder on Hanks board.
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Post by buckeye68 on Oct 9, 2021 14:16:14 GMT -5
After design and development of this process I passed it on to my local builder (one of the best IMHO) and he now owns the rights to it. He offers it as a paid service for existing guns and a process used on the new ones. It just works and the results are really impressive. I dont feel comfortable promoting another builder on Hanks board. Wow, something that is so great that you sold the rights to it and then you say you can’t promote your private gun builder on this site after you did in the previous post. I call BS. Sorry |
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