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Post by elkman1310 on Aug 23, 2021 14:31:52 GMT -5
This weekend went pretty darn good for me. Shot well in light gun with a 6.021 group and 98 score put didn't win anything. Came in second at 600 yard match with a 2.680 10 shot group lost by .010 then won my relay in heavy gun on Sunday with a real heart breaking 10th shot which killed my group went from a possible 3.883 to a 8.135 #10 went straight down into the 8 ring it still gave me the score win with a 97. Then I won the shoot off with a 98 and 5.7 inch group. I used 105gr JLK bullets in my heavy gun and 103gr Vapor Trails in the light gun.
Conditions were good we had two 4.0 groups shot on Saturday and one 3.345 group shot on Sunday along with several 4 inch groups and several 100's shot.
I used the Alpha Dasher brass both days and so did my buddy. I gave him 20 cases to load for light gun with some Vapor Trail bullets he shot a perfect 100 and a 5.6 group best he has ever shot and Sunday he shot a 98 score and 7.1 group 9shots in the 10x and one out in the 8 ring that hurt. That was shot with JLK bullets jumping .035 off the lands.
Conditions on our range rarely hold long enough for 10 shots if we only shot 5 shots for light gun we would have unbelievable small groups. We could have 5 shots group shot well under 0ne inch hard to believe but I see just about all the targets and the guys with the hot guns can really knot them up. many doubles and triples .
So the Alpha brass is working really well in 4 different guns we have tested it in with very little expansion after several firing. |
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Post by fatfred on Aug 23, 2021 16:53:27 GMT -5
I do not reply or post much on these long range conversations but I probably enjoy them as much as any topic. My longest shot ever on a woodchuck was 525 yds when I was a teen. Used 1/2 a box of 150 ball ammo in a 30-06 sporterized M1-A1 (did I get that model right?) Just to walk the shots to him. Even though I killed him, I actually missed. Several feet in front of him was a long bullet rip in the field and it appeared that I bounced one into him. In the day, I still counted him as a kill. LOL. Fast forward to year 2000. I purchased and still have, a Rem 700 26" bull barrel lami heavy stock .243. I was 33 yrs old and began getting into reloading. My woodchuck round was a Rem case, trimmed to smallest length recommended, a Nosler 55 gr ballistic tip, rem std primer and 52 gr H414. This load chronigraphed at 4,000 fps and shot bugholes at 100. I was on at 300, 2.5" high at 200 and 2" high at 100 IIRC. I had a fine duplex Leupold 4 x 12. With a perfect rest not many woodchucks survived a 1st shot inside 300 yds. I only had one place where I could stretch things and shoot as far as 650 yds but there were no woodchucks there. Just targets that I set up. I remember one day laying on a huge piece of cardboard. My friend traced my body. We cut it out and put a life size picture of Osama Bin Laden in the head. Took it and some stakes and set it up at 650 yds. It was completely calm. No MOA dials, just did the math on paper. One 1/4 minute click at 650 yds would bring me up like 1 5/8" in POI. I had a ballistic chart that said how low I would be with my load, BC and a 300 yd zero. I raised it the amount of clicks that I calculated and shot at Osama 5 times holding dead on. I could not believe it when I walked all the way out there and measured a 5" group albiet well right in the torso. But the group was amazing to this simpleton. We lost that place to shoot. So when I hear you and Richard talk about the things you do and see, I gain a huge appreciation for your sport. The smallest tickle of wind can matter. One day I would love to shoot that far with guns I have. It would be fun to ring some steel with standard hunting guns that far away.
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Post by leftyml on Aug 23, 2021 20:30:00 GMT -5
Elkman, I to enjoy reading all your posts.Been a hunter all my life and 3 yrs. ago I got a savage 10 stealth 6'5 creed. built in their custom shop. This rifle shoots better than it should for what I have in it. Did put a good scope on it-athlon cronus 4.5x29- and load 142 smk at 2860 using re-16. I am real lucky as I can shoot out to 1,800 yds.2 miles from my house(farm field). So I only shoot when their is no wind. 5 shot groups average .5 moa out to 1000 yds. My shooting partner and I set up 3-4x8 foot sheets of plywood ( 8x12 backstop) and used a 1000 yd. bulleye to aim at He was shooting 6mm creed. ,me 6.5 creed.We were able to walk the shots unto the plywood.I was dialing 81 moa of elev..he a little less. When a little breeze started up every thing went to hell (we were shooting at sunrise). I have great respect for you guys that can read conditions and shoot as well as yall do. Even at 1000 yds. the temp. will effect drop( for my load 23 to 26 moa) Anyway, I enjoy playing with this long range shooting and keep sending your posts ,a lot of us enjoy reeding them leftyml
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Post by dennis on Aug 23, 2021 20:43:36 GMT -5
Good shooting Carl.
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Post by elkman1310 on Aug 24, 2021 6:40:36 GMT -5
Thanks guys. I wish I could say that I can read the wind on our range but the simple fact is nobody can say with any certainty what the wind is doing. The big flags we have down range are really to heavy to tell what's really going on and they all point in different directions so what it really comes down to is where your last few sighters shots are hitting on your target I only worry about the conditions that are happening in the last 30 and 15 seconds. At 15 seconds I make a scope correction if needed and hope that I stay centered up when the record target goes in the air. After that its rapid fire for 10 shots.
The slightest change in wind will move you out of the 10 ring to the 9 or 8 real fast that's just how it is. If your gun is shooting really well it will help you shoot through those changing conditions better than a gun that is not grouping well.
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