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Post by smokepole61 on Aug 12, 2021 12:52:00 GMT -5
This thread is intended to help those that r new or confused when it comes to buying the right gun for the purpose they intend to use it. Action types, one r two piece stocks etc. Break action,plunger,rolling block etc.
Proper stock selection for type of use etc. When a cheap r big box store gun is all u really need r should u go full custom? How use and wear will effect its accuracy etc. What can we expect for what we have to spend etc. For instance. I just sight in and hunt kinda stuff. To I shoot every week end kinda stuff. What's best for me kinda thing. What will stay very accurate for a very long time r hey I'm only using it 1 week end a year. All thoughts and advice r welcome thank u for replying
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Post by joelmoney on Aug 12, 2021 14:27:31 GMT -5
90%+ hunters will get all the hunting performance from a CVA break action. If you are not using some sort of shooting aid you are never going to out shoot a break action. If you have a front and rear rest in your stand and plan on shooting over 300 is when you might want to start looking at a nut gun or custom shouldered barrel gun. A shouldered barrel allows for the highest chamber pressures and the most margin of error. The safety factor of a shouldered barrel is probably the reason many shoot them. A custom gun is nice to have and show off at the range. It is very exciting to have a custom gun built. When they show up is like you are 10 at Christmas.
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Post by smokepole61 on Aug 12, 2021 17:06:57 GMT -5
Whats makes the cva break action such a good r better choice than say a gun of similar cost and different action design r stock. Say like one piece stock tc omega style action. R a two piece stock one? R a plunger style bolt action gun. If the price is pretty close say 50 to 100 dollars. Why is the cva break action such a good choice for the week end r 2 a year hunter? R just hunting gun in general? What makes it your choice? The Price tag? I'm thinking you mean a cva wolf. And not one of the 6 r 7 hundreds dollar cva's.
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Post by joelmoney on Aug 12, 2021 19:46:22 GMT -5
Price tag is why I would recommend a break action. The price of a with plug installed is close to the price of a barrel for a nut gun. On paper I there isn’t going to be much difference 1/4” but a properly bedded bolt is going to be easier to shoot accurately. Aftermarket parts are much easier to find for bolts than break actions. Probably the biggest drawback i don’t like about break actions is lack of trigger upgrades. Encore triggers can be cleaned up and trigger springs can be replaced to make them respectable. The CVA triggers I have shot are by no means “target” triggers but are very shootable. I am talking CVA Scout or Hunter.
Thanks for your questions I am sure others have the same questions. I am answering for SML. I hope others will chime in. These are just my opinions and I am sure others might see it differently.
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Post by smokepole61 on Aug 12, 2021 21:28:47 GMT -5
Wow good stuff to know. Now we're getting some where lol. Thanks for replies
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Post by joelmoney on Aug 12, 2021 22:40:49 GMT -5
If you have anything else I am more than willing to give my options. Or if your looking for anything more detailed I can certainly try to fill in some blanks. Richard went into pretty good detail on how to target shoot with a Scout to get them to shoot. Due to recoil stresses they take recoil a little different than bolt guns. There are others with much more knowledge than I. I try to field the less technical stuff certainly don’t have the round count or in-depth knowledge some on this board have of SML’s.
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Post by joelmoney on Aug 13, 2021 0:36:38 GMT -5
Break action and falling blocks are much shorter and lighter actions than bolt actions. I think that makes break action and falling block rifles much handier for hunting. They are single shots however.
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Post by hillbill on Aug 13, 2021 4:12:04 GMT -5
break actions are hard to beat for ease of ownership and make a good handy 300 yd plus gun, generally the CVA conversions have been overall very accurate, occasionally you will find a barrel that is less than stellar but that's the risk you have to take.
They are quirky when it comes to bench shooting but it can be done after you figure out how to cradle the baby.
They can also be very hard on scopes due to the design so If it gets shot a good bit a quality scope is in order.
I and others run Direct Ignition in our guns, my reasoning is due to the fact I no longer have the extractor in the mix to mess with BUT my gun is the Apex, you must drive the hinge pin out to remove the extractor.
Encore guns make a good candidate as well If you run a custom barrel, as Joel mentioned the triggers are generally crappier than the CVAs but can be fixed with a Belem kit. you will however spend considerably more coin on an Encore set up but with the custom barrel they are tack drivers.
As far as wearing one out or degrading the accuracy in any of these guns? The only way is to damage the crown with bad cleaning or loading practices, other than that they should last as long as you do under normal use.
Bolt guns go from mild to wild and If you already have a donor action one can spend from 1,000 bucks on a barrel nut gun to 5,000 or more on a full blown custom on a custom action.
Your weight preference can go from 8-9 lbs for a break action gun in hunting form or a light bolt action build (9.5- 10.5) to as heavy as you can carry.
Why a heavy gun? RECOIL
the heavier the bullet and charge the heavier Tyson punches, recoil is the limiting factor in a lot of builds and must be considered in the equation.
I will let someone else add their thoughts
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Post by Richard on Aug 15, 2021 18:49:44 GMT -5
Disregarding the above posts and giving you my two cents................Go middle of the road! Figure out how heavy you want the rifle and then build towards that objective. Yes, cheap can work but.....you will have to sacrifice some features along with accuracy. Scout up a donor Rem. 700 short action. You now have the "heart" of your build. With this action, you have access to many stocks, triggers, mounts etc. Pick your length/contour barrel and have Jeff get you a Brux. I would opt for a modified sendero with enough meat over the chamber area so you have the option of shooting heavy (faster) loads should you desire to at some point. The stock Remy trigger can be modified to a very reliable 2.5 lbs. or go for an after market one if your pockets are deep enough. Boyd's makes a great stock at a reasonable cost. With these basics you can have yourself a rifle that will last a lifetime and you will not be outgunned. Jeff can supply the Picatinny rail and the HIS ignition.
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Post by smokepole61 on Aug 16, 2021 9:58:24 GMT -5
Wow,some more really good info. So it seems clear now. For the one r two season ahead hunter. Some one that isn't a big target shooter. The fill your tag store in safe till next year kinda thing. A break action cva is all they really need. From a smokeless point of view. No need to worry about things like. Recoil pounding 2 piece stocks lose r forearm pressure problems? Hinges pins and action locks getting slop in them. Receiver to barrel fit perfectly type things. They simply don't get used that much used to shoot very far. If you r on a tight budget u can't go wrong kinda deal.
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Post by smokepole61 on Aug 16, 2021 13:24:19 GMT -5
After much consideration and reading all replies. It seems with my personality,lol. And the way my kids and grandkids say I don't have hobbies. I have obsessions. That I personally would be better served by Richard's reply. What he is talking about seems to be a platform that meets any requirement. And can be changed and updated to different kinds of play. Starts out as light woods gun r mountain rifle. Ends up 27 pound bench gun. When I can't walk much. Haven't read where the people winnining these bench rest shoots r using break action guns. R maybe I just haven't read where the winner used one. Since it seems we have only been talking about center fire rifles. That r being worked on to make a muzzleloader. I personally would be better off with Richard's advice. I've owned plenty of worn out break action center fires. Had enough stock problems with tc encores and hard recoiling 7mm mag. And big bore problems with other brands of single shots. Had a ruger no.1 that was a nightmare! Beautiful gun. If exspress sights and 2 inch 50 yard groups r your thing. Far charging Buffalo. I seen some that drove tacks at 100 yards. Only to have there owners removed the forearm. And reduce them to safe queens lol. Had one! Finally sent back to Ruger. Was in 270 Winchester. Strung bullets up and down 8 inches lmao. After removing forearm. They got it to shoot right at 2 inches at 100. With a note that said this was expected from this type of dangerous game rifle. 2 moa at 100 yards. Finally sold it. Guy was tickled pink. Lost of engraving and pretty colors. Note also said do not remove forearm again. Gee no kidding lol.
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