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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 29, 2021 19:09:06 GMT -5
You sure as heck don’t need my permission to build anything you want. Just don’t come on here and ask the same STUPID question that you’ve asked on all the boards and gotten the same response that you did not like and get all mad about it. If you like it than build it and enjoy it. HA, you claim that I am angry but I'm not. Just want real answers, not opinions. Thank you very much. It’s about as real as any answer you’ve gotten every place else. Enjoy
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Post by hillbill on Jul 29, 2021 20:22:27 GMT -5
Tell us what you intend to shoot in it and maybe we can be of more help? A slug pushed down the bore? I don't think so, you have a chamber to contend with, buckshot? possibly but it's not legal in most states, birdshot? yes if you use a wad. Several things are possible but practical? Tell us where we are thinking wrong?
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 29, 2021 21:55:08 GMT -5
Tell us what you intend to shoot in it and maybe we can be of more help? A slug pushed down the bore? I don't think so, you have a chamber to contend with, buckshot? possibly but it's not legal in most states, birdshot? yes if you use a wad. Several things are possible but practical? Tell us where we are thinking wrong? THE QUESTION PRESENTED. Can you use smokeless in a shotgun that has been converted to a muzzleloader using a breach plug insert? Have you ever seen the new slugs for shotguns with rifled barrels? The look just like rifle bullets only much larger.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jul 30, 2021 3:46:47 GMT -5
Tell us what you intend to shoot in it and maybe we can be of more help? A slug pushed down the bore? I don't think so, you have a chamber to contend with, buckshot? possibly but it's not legal in most states, birdshot? yes if you use a wad. Several things are possible but practical? Tell us where we are thinking wrong? THE QUESTION PRESENTED. Can you use smokeless in a shotgun that has been converted to a muzzleloader using a breach plug insert? Have you ever seen the new slugs for shotguns with rifled barrels? The look just like rifle bullets only much larger. That would be a question for the person who is building it for you to answer.
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Post by hillbill on Jul 30, 2021 3:49:04 GMT -5
AGAIN A shotgun already uses smokeless powder right? Enlighten us on how you are going to get a breech plug into the barrel? Insert? I have never seen one and didn't know it exists, show us exactly what you are talking about and we might be able to help you. The slugs I am aware of use some sort of sabot but I will be willing to bet they would never push down the muzzle of a shotgun barrel and where are you going to source them to try? from a existing shell I suppose? You still have the chamber to contend with, correct? SHOW US THIS INSERT AND HOW IT SEALS THE CHAMBER, then we might have some idea of what you are trying to accomplish. It might be possible to make it happen but for what reason? I still don't see the point when you can buy a shotgun slug that fits the chamber? What are you trying to gain by trying to push a slug down the barrel, help us to understand?
I promise you we are not trying to pee on your leg, just trying to understand the practicality of the whole idea.
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Post by afisher on Jul 30, 2021 5:12:20 GMT -5
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Post by dennis on Jul 30, 2021 6:50:47 GMT -5
Paul Harvey, I knew you would show up.
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Post by Hank on Jul 30, 2021 8:16:23 GMT -5
If I where to buy an adapter to turn my shotgun into a muzzleloader, would I be able to use smokeless powder in it? Back to the original question. The answer is ABSOLUTLEY YOU CAN. You just have to use the correct powder and know its pressure. These guys here are assuming you want to load it like we do our 45 caliber smokeless muzzle loaders, and if you do that you will have a pipe bomb. These fella's are just trying to look out for you in their own way. Long story short, (and I'll catch a lot of heat for saying this) You can use smokeless powder in anything you want, as long as you don't go over pressure limits. Smokeless powders are less explosive that black powders and much more safe to use. Just use common since and do your home work. Not all of us agree with each other and that's ok, we all however need to be able to disagree without getting in a pissing match.
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Post by hillbill on Jul 30, 2021 9:27:59 GMT -5
Paul Harvey, I knew you would show up. Never knew such a thing existed? Yes manufacturer definately would need to be in the loop be it this or something else. IF this is what he is taking about I still don't see the point of trying to make a muzzle loader from a break action shotgun but each to their own i suppose. Do your homework and let us know how it comes out.
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Post by SURESHOT on Jul 30, 2021 13:00:38 GMT -5
Just me, I would use it as it is, a SLUG gun with the original slug, and if so it would be a 20 gauge looking forward to see if it ever happens!!!
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 30, 2021 13:58:04 GMT -5
AGAIN A shotgun already uses smokeless powder right? Enlighten us on how you are going to get a breech plug into the barrel? Insert? I have never seen one and didn't know it exists, show us exactly what you are talking about and we might be able to help you. The slugs I am aware of use some sort of sabot but I will be willing to bet they would never push down the muzzle of a shotgun barrel and where are you going to source them to try? from a existing shell I suppose? You still have the chamber to contend with, correct? SHOW US THIS INSERT AND HOW IT SEALS THE CHAMBER, then we might have some idea of what you are trying to accomplish. It might be possible to make it happen but for what reason? I still don't see the point when you can buy a shotgun slug that fits the chamber? What are you trying to gain by trying to push a slug down the barrel, help us to understand?
I promise you we are not trying to pee on your leg, just trying to understand the practicality of the whole idea.
Simply put, I was just asking a question. I was not trying to start a fight. There is a company that sells these push in breach plugs for shotguns so you can use them as a muzzleloader. They state that it is for black powder use. That is what prompted me to ask the question if you could use smokeless because a shotgun is already a smokeless FIREARM THEN I GOT ATTACKED. MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND RUDE. BUT I HAVE MET SOME THAT ARE VERY NICE PEOPLE. I MIGHT JUST STAY HERE BECAUSE OF THEM.
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 30, 2021 14:03:45 GMT -5
If I where to buy an adapter to turn my shotgun into a muzzleloader, would I be able to use smokeless powder in it? Back to the original question. The answer is ABSOLUTLEY YOU CAN. You just have to use the correct powder and know its pressure. These guys here are assuming you want to load it like we do our 45 caliber smokeless muzzle loaders, and if you do that you will have a pipe bomb. These fella's are just trying to look out for you in their own way. Long story short, (and I'll catch a lot of heat for saying this) You can use smokeless powder in anything you want, as long as you don't go over pressure limits. Smokeless powders are less explosive that black powders and much more safe to use. Just use common since and do your home work. Not all of us agree with each other and that's ok, we all however need to be able to disagree without getting in a pissing match. HANK, you are AWESOME Dude. Thank you for your very well put post. COMMON SENSE PREVAILS. See guy's, Hank understood me completely, you should listen to him.
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 30, 2021 14:07:43 GMT -5
Just me, I would use it as it is, a SLUG gun with the original slug, and if so it would be a 20 gauge looking forward to see if it ever happens!!! I do like the idea of the 20 or maybe 28 gauge rifled barrel conversion. They are closer to a 50 cal ml.
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Post by SURESHOT on Jul 30, 2021 14:22:03 GMT -5
iweetodid I would not convert at all., I would use a straight up 20 gauge, with a store bought Slug,,
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 30, 2021 14:42:23 GMT -5
iweetodid I would not convert at all., I would use a straight up 20 gauge, with a store bought Slug,, OK, just wondering if a rifled barrel is a good idea or just smooth bore. I had a 12g smooth bore years ago cut down to 19.5" that was incredibly accurate at 100 yards
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 30, 2021 14:47:39 GMT -5
Paul Harvey, I knew you would show up. Never knew such a thing existed? Yes manufacturer definately would need to be in the loop be it this or something else. IF this is what he is taking about I still don't see the point of trying to make a muzzle loader from a break action shotgun but each to their own i suppose. Do your homework and let us know how it comes out. I will, thank you for your reply.
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Post by SURESHOT on Jul 31, 2021 5:56:40 GMT -5
iweetodid, Went back and read thru the various post after a comment from you that I DO DISAGREE with, you stated that( MOST of the PEOPLE HERE are VERY AGGRESSIVE and RUDE) if you are basing this statement on this thread, maybe you should read back thru the thread, some of the response, were short but many of yours were the same. Most of the time that's the way we get when someone disagrees, we get defensive, I can say that at the age of 67 I have been there. MOST here are eager to help, If they know what your asking and what your end goal is! There will be very few here that fit your description of rude and being aggressive. Most are willing to help.....
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Post by Sideshow on Jul 31, 2021 7:19:20 GMT -5
iweetodid I would not convert at all., I would use a straight up 20 gauge, with a store bought Slug,, Exactly . A 50 cal mzl is superior in accuracy , power , and range to a shotgun slug . As for this conversion a rifled slug barrel does indeed have a throat for a saboted projectile when chambered and shot from them to enter the bore and gradually engage the rifleing . A foster style slug usally has a accuracy issue from some smooth barrels as well as range limitations because of no bc to speak of . About the only positive thing i see that a slug gun has over a muzzleloader is the ability for quick repeating shots when ranges are close if the gun is a pump or semi-auto . Thats not what we have here disscussed . By the way from a foster slug thats for a smoothbore its very hard to beat the Federal tru-ball shell accuracy as a polymer ball is forced up into the cavity to forceibly obturate the bullet against the barrel walls for accuracy to at least 100yds in the case of a 20ga before its energy , ft lbs , is too low for ethical deer hunting . Powders aside thats the truth on shotgun slug preformance vs a 50 cal smoker mz which is still an effective hunter beyond 200yds . That to me is the real issue here , Regardless of powders used . Tweetodid i think youd be Much more pleased with the preformance of a bp muzzleloader that this conversion your considering pursueing . Yes bh209 is expensive but its the best of its class for a smoker with a few traits shared with smokeless powders . Hankins also offers his break action 45-70 conversions which are cost effective jewels for smokless use if smokeless is a priority for you . Its a great deal for a muzzleloader with awesome preformance capability . Its either that or do as your buddy suggests and just buy a box of slugs and call it a day . The slugs sold for shotgun reloading that you are considering just truly arent anything youll want to , in my opinon , waste your money on . Just being honest . Been there done that . Good luck with whatever you decide to do .
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Post by hillbill on Jul 31, 2021 10:40:57 GMT -5
AGAIN A shotgun already uses smokeless powder right? Enlighten us on how you are going to get a breech plug into the barrel? Insert? I have never seen one and didn't know it exists, show us exactly what you are talking about and we might be able to help you. The slugs I am aware of use some sort of sabot but I will be willing to bet they would never push down the muzzle of a shotgun barrel and where are you going to source them to try? from a existing shell I suppose? You still have the chamber to contend with, correct? SHOW US THIS INSERT AND HOW IT SEALS THE CHAMBER, then we might have some idea of what you are trying to accomplish. It might be possible to make it happen but for what reason? I still don't see the point when you can buy a shotgun slug that fits the chamber? What are you trying to gain by trying to push a slug down the barrel, help us to understand?
I promise you we are not trying to pee on your leg, just trying to understand the practicality of the whole idea.
Simply put, I was just asking a question. I was not trying to start a fight. There is a company that sells these push in breach plugs for shotguns so you can use them as a muzzleloader. They state that it is for black powder use. That is what prompted me to ask the question if you could use smokeless because a shotgun is already a smokeless FIREARM THEN I GOT ATTACKED. MOST OF THE PEOPLE HERE ARE VERY AGGRESSIVE AND RUDE. BUT I HAVE MET SOME THAT ARE VERY NICE PEOPLE. I MIGHT JUST STAY HERE BECAUSE OF THEM. I know a bunch of these guys personally, not a single one of them I know are rude and aggressive, I think that is an unfair assumption.
A clearly stated question with the intent of use usually gets a good answer, I think that's where this thread got off track, you never stated what you wanted to fire from it or wanted to use it for? I'm sure most of these guys are wondering the same thing I am, why try to use a shotgun as a muzzleloader when it will be super difficult to even source a projectile that you can load down the muzzle? possible? I'm sure it is if you want to go to that much trouble?
Good luck with the endeavor If you choose to pursue it and let us know how it turns out.
I think the guys that replied to the post are scratching their head as I am
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Post by iweetodid on Jul 31, 2021 12:17:05 GMT -5
iweetodid, Went back and read thru the various post after a comment from you that I DO DISAGREE with, you stated that( MOST of the PEOPLE HERE are VERY AGGRESSIVE and RUDE) if you are basing this statement on this thread, maybe you should read back thru the thread, some of the response, were short but many of yours were the same. Most of the time that's the way we get when someone disagrees, we get defensive, I can say that at the age of 67 I have been there. MOST here are eager to help, If they know what your asking and what your end goal is! There will be very few here that fit your description of rude and being aggressive. Most are willing to help..... I don't have a problem with that. Hank answered my question perfectly. Now accept my opinion the same way you want me to accept yours and leave it alone please.
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