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Post by barrycuda on Jan 26, 2021 15:37:43 GMT -5
Sorry for being behind the times but what is the difference between the DIS and HIS ignitions?
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Post by damnyankee on Jan 26, 2021 15:57:59 GMT -5
You can run 8-10% les powder and hold the same velocity with DIS. I use the HIS system in my Encore because it's easy and I don't have to carry a tool to deprime. If I had a bench gun I would use the DIS system. Both are awesome and better than anything else that has been developed thus far IMO. What are your needs?
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Post by dennis on Jan 26, 2021 16:51:33 GMT -5
You can run 8-10% les powder and hold the same velocity with DIS. I use the HIS system in my Encore because it's easy and I don't have to carry a tool to deprime. If I had a bench gun I would use the DIS system. Both are awesome and better than anything else that has been developed thus far IMO. What are your needs? I agree with the best systems and have used both in bolt action and DI in my break action woods gun. I think it is just a matter of what you like as they are both great systems, oh, and no bushing in the DI. |
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Post by buckdoehunter on Jan 26, 2021 17:56:15 GMT -5
Check out Hankins videos on youtube, they will explain the differences.
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Post by hillbill on Jan 26, 2021 20:48:54 GMT -5
Direct is an aircraft grade 12 point bolt with a hole drilled through it and machined to accept a primer, it screws directly into the plug and as has been indicated burns hotter than a module and considerably more so than a 209 primer.
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Post by sew on Jan 26, 2021 22:15:54 GMT -5
Question. For hunting when reloading will not be rushed at all, is there all that much of a disadvantage in using DI? In a locking lug bolt action 40.
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Post by buckeye68 on Jan 26, 2021 23:39:02 GMT -5
I have one hunting rig with HIS and another rig with DI in it. Doesn’t bother me which one I use for hunting other than I have to carry a nut driver to remove the DI screw/module out of the breach plug. HIS I can remove and install the HIS module with my finger.
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Post by hillbill on Jan 27, 2021 5:21:51 GMT -5
Yes a matter of preference, in my break action .40 I run DI, it eliminates the extractor and I can get to the plug without having to remove the extractor from the gun, IMO it's the way to go in a break action gun.
I have used it in a bolt gun, just not as convenient as modules.
It is a really hot ignition though.
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Post by olegburn on Jan 27, 2021 10:48:35 GMT -5
Yes a matter of preference, in my break action .40 I run DI, it eliminates the extractor and I can get to the plug without having to remove the extractor from the gun, IMO it's the way to go in a break action gun. I have used it in a bolt gun, just not as convenient as modules. It is a really hot ignition though. Hollis Weber converted my Hunter and it he modified extractor to where it will pull out without complete disassembly. Richards's tip on pushing down on the extractor and using thin wall sockets also works. It has just enough play to remove breech plug |
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Post by hillbill on Jan 27, 2021 11:02:54 GMT -5
that works on a scout or hunter but would not work on my Apex
Also on the Apex you had to drive out the hinge pin to remove the extractor, not so on the Scout and hunter , hence the DI on my Apex.
everyone has to use what works best for them, I like DI.
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Post by dennis on Jan 27, 2021 13:26:46 GMT -5
that works on a scout or hunter but would not work on my Apex Also on the Apex you had to drive out the hinge pin to remove the extractor, not so on the Scout and hunter , hence the DI on my Apex. everyone has to use what works best for them, I like DI. I don't want anything but DI in break action. I love HIS in my bolt action. I am getting ready to hand off my (blued/black) Scout barrel for a DI plug install, blued/black Scout is a hinge pin take down like the Apex. |
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Post by joelmoney on Jan 28, 2021 3:14:55 GMT -5
Question. For hunting when reloading will not be rushed at all, is there all that much of a disadvantage in using DI? In a locking lug bolt action 40. The only disadvantages I have encountered with DI are A. It’s a little slower to load B. No bushing- once you remove the module you need to put a travel module in to prevent powder from spilling out. Advantage of DI is no bushing to restrict flame path thus getting hotter ignition. I run DI in both my CVA Hunter and my bolt gun. |
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Post by sew on Jan 28, 2021 10:44:32 GMT -5
Joel, in my big, heavy 700ML/40 RC I plan to continue to use only HIS/0.030. That headspacing screw (bolt actually) doesn’t need any more pressure than it has to have In the upcoming ultra light Difiance Anti action 24” barreled 40, I plan to use DI but amd getting HIS also(9/16”). I normally reload after a shot regardless unless the shot was in virtual darkness (evening) anyway. The most common shot time for me - 2 of my 3 ML deer this year. I’ve not needed a fast reload for a lot of years (>20).
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Post by joelmoney on Jan 28, 2021 17:57:58 GMT -5
Steve if I need a quick second shot I’ll grab my second gun. I have shot one deer with my bolt DI gun and reloaded and shot another. Like we have talked about in the past I attribute that ability to using a break. The deer just don’t seem to spook nearly as bad when being shot at with a break. Yes the bushing dose help keep bolt pressures down. When I have wanted a quick follow up shot and not being able to get one in it hasn’t mattered if I had the second gun and certainly wouldn’t have made any difference if I were using HIS or DI.
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Post by barrycuda on Jan 30, 2021 16:11:14 GMT -5
I am looking to do an Encore conversion. You think the DI would be the way to go? I'm assuming both use LRM primers which I have NONE. Have plenty of 209s. Have left message for Jeff but he hasn't returned my call yet.
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Post by dennis on Jan 30, 2021 16:41:01 GMT -5
I am looking to do an Encore conversion. You think the DI would be the way to go? I'm assuming both use LRM primers which I have NONE. Have plenty of 209s. Have left message for Jeff but he hasn't returned my call yet. Try email he stopped answering the (large call volume) calls so as to be able to get work done would be my guess. I have used DI in my Apex and am having it put in my Scout. Also maybe try pm on the board. |
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