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Post by painless on Jul 15, 2020 13:41:09 GMT -5
Hey guys I have an issue, earlier this year I put together my prefit Remington 700 ML with a Mcgowen 45 caliber barrel. At the time I had the barrel machines for Lukes at ASG’s 209 primer. I sent that to Mcgowen and they chambered the muzzleloader first me. My bolt is a hunter bolt nose kit, forward to today I head to the range load this sucker up put my primer in pull the trigger and nothing. Let me tell you that will unnerve the hell out of you. Anyway I am guessing it is a headspace issue but I only have a couple thousandths before I run out of thread. My primer is crushing at about 2 thousandths. I can scre the barrel in more but I am not sure that is my only issue. Anyone have any ideas?
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Post by dennis on Jul 15, 2020 13:52:49 GMT -5
Is it firing the primer, if so try loading with a wad. Are you shooting FF, smooth, or with sabots? What powder/bullet combo.? Is the flame channel clear?
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Post by painless on Jul 15, 2020 13:56:08 GMT -5
Smooth sized with wad and without started at 60 grains of H4198. Flame channel is clear it has never been fired
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Post by painless on Jul 15, 2020 13:56:39 GMT -5
And yeas it is firing the primer
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Post by dennis on Jul 15, 2020 14:00:27 GMT -5
Which breechplug? Savage or shoulder sealing? Which primers?
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Post by Richard on Jul 15, 2020 14:44:45 GMT -5
What is your seating pressure like? With a 209 system, you should be getting firm (like maybe two handed) seating pressure! No pressure?...No bang!
Which primer? Federal magnum are about the hottest.
Here in lies the advantage of Hank's Ignition System...................You pull a lot less hair out of your head and have big smiles on your face! 209 systems can and do work but they can also be a PIA if you don't get them right and have the right components. The very most fool proof is the Direct Ignition..........bar none!
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Post by painless on Jul 15, 2020 15:01:40 GMT -5
What is your seating pressure like? With a 209 system, you should be getting firm (like maybe two handed) seating pressure! No pressure?...No bang! Which primer? Federal magnum are about the hottest. Here in lies the advantage of Hank's Ignition System...................You pull a lot less hair out of your head and have big smiles on your face! 209 systems can and do work but they can also be a PIA if you don't get them right and have the right components. The very most fool proof is the Direct Ignition..........bar none! Seating pressure was one hand and pretty easy down the barrel, shooting Winchester primers |
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Post by hillbill on Jul 15, 2020 17:14:16 GMT -5
Therein lies your problem
Winchesters are not as hot and you likely have a too loose fit
tighten up the bullet fit and I bet it will go bang.
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Post by dannoboone on Jul 16, 2020 11:33:12 GMT -5
Therein lies your problem Winchesters are not as hot and you likely have a too loose fit tighten up the bullet fit and I bet it will go bang. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^What Bill said^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ There are those who successfully use Win primers, but of those who have failures, practically all were using Win primers. One story involved a guy who came up with a load during warmer weather, only to have the Win primer fail on him when he had a great buck in his sight after it got cold. I still have a 209 primer system using CCI Mag primers along with a few grains of VV110 under the main powder. Never had a FTF, even with slower main powders and looser fit bullets. As Richard stated, the Fed primers are the hottest. |
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Post by ultimtepredator on Jul 16, 2020 20:17:34 GMT -5
Just another something to throw out , has personally happened to myself and a friend of mine but the jag actually would lift the bullet off the powder charge while I pulled the ramrod out after seating firmly.. can’t explain why but I slow my loading down and could actually feel it ...
Change to one of Kyle jags problems solved..,
Just another idea
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Post by rickh on Jul 17, 2020 9:21:37 GMT -5
To Steve's point: Had a jag that if I pushed down a bullet sitting on a table w normal loading force I could pick the bullet up with the jag. Shake it lightly and it still stayed in the jag. Cut some super fine sand paper- wrapped a bullet and spun the jag over the bullet while applying light pressure. Problem was solved.
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Post by painless on Jul 18, 2020 10:36:42 GMT -5
Guys I can’t thank you all enough, I switched to federal primers and she went bang. Worked up to 66 grains of H4198 and 3 shots went less than an inch so I called it good. I will likely play around with the load after season to see if I can’t tighten it up a little more but for now nothing will get past it if I do my job.
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Post by Ice on Jul 18, 2020 14:41:37 GMT -5
Guys I can’t thank you all enough, I switched to federal primers and she went bang. Worked up to 66 grains of H4198 and 3 shots went less than an inch so I called it good. I will likely play around with the load after season to see if I can’t tighten it up a little more but for now nothing will get past it if I do my job. These guys are the sharpest around when it comes to diagnostics and cure. Glad they are on the board but kind of wish they were doctors and politicians.....we could get everything diagnosed, cured and fixed in a hurry! |
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