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Post by 10gaauto on Dec 2, 2015 23:44:53 GMT -5
Well have couple of MLII, Encore conversion and 2 700ML with original barrels. Have a 700ML action w/o a barrel and in process of building a hunting gun. The rifles I saw in August at the challenge were impressive. Great groups and great shooters. However those long barrels, heavy stocks and big glass really don't get it for a hunting gun. I love my conversion for hunting but... I don't think shooting a conversion with a standard contour barrel sabotless is such a great idea. With my MLIIs going to 350 with sabots isn't so great either. So my request for a suggestion is for a barrel length and profile, might throw in a stock suggestion too, to put on the 700ML action that will give me consistent and reasonable "minute of deer" (moa) accuracy out to 350 yd shooting sabotless. I'd like to keep the total weight of gun, including glass, at or under 10 lbs. 9 lbs would be an even better deal. So the parameters are:
1. build on 700ML action
2. 45 cal suitable for sabotless should be able to get 300 grainers up to 2600 fps
3. total finished weight under 10 lbs
Sure I'd like to do a barrel for my Encore but having screw holes in a SML barrel shooting sabotless isn't really, well.......
Thanks all. 10ga |
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Post by Hank on Dec 3, 2015 0:42:25 GMT -5
10,,,
Couple suggestions about barrels.. Way back when I first started building these hot rod ML's I was ordering my barrel blanks from Krieger in a Modified Remington Varnint contour and after I explained to Shey at Krieger what I was doing with them he recommended I go up to 1.250 on the shank instead of the standard 1.200 so I did and I had him put a not on my account that says. " Do not duplicate Remington Varmint contour in 45 caliber barrels" this way we never have a mixup.. This is with stainless steel barrels and you can go lighter if you choose chrome moly.. No I build 90% of my ML's using a modified #17 or #6 the #6 being the lighter of the two.. I will be finishing up a build maybe tomorrow using a 26 inch #17 barrel on a manners stock and I'll try to get a weight for you.
Now if you're building a 350 yard gun using 300 grain billets you will want to have some beef in the breech but you could have the barrel tapper down rather quickly and finish out the muzzle at .750 this will help shed some weight.
As for building on the 700 ML action. I don't currently build on them but I will be adding them to my list of actions that I will build on, seem as if there are still a few of them around and I've had several request to build on them.
If you have another builder in mind that's also great with me.., so they might also be able to help you with a barrel choice. I do think if it was me planning on shooting 300 grain bullets I would order it in at least 1-20 twist. This way you will be sure to have good stabilization and can always shoot heavier or lighter bullets if you so desire...
Stocks... If you want super light look at manners or McMillan, plan on spending $500 plus for one and waiting several months to recurve it.. Lowest cost stocks would be from Boydes.. Laminated wood stocks are very strong and appealing to my eye... I think they are a great deal..
You will also need a breech plug and I have several options for the ML actions the use only the 209 primers. No modules required.. Tungsten bushing installed and come with a no breakage, no burn out 6 month guarantee, so when you're ready for a plug let me know and I can hook you up.
Hope this helps a little..
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Post by keith on Dec 3, 2015 5:03:52 GMT -5
I used a modified Brux contour on the CF barreled action Jeff did for me and a modified Douglas 5A on my 700ML hunting gun. That Douglas contour will fit in some hunting stocks that have light fills/shells like the Manners EH line and the McMillan EDGE. Right now mine is in a laminate that I reworked and could easily lose two pounds if put in a lightweight stock. I'll get you a weight of the guns and barreled actions tonight.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 3, 2015 5:26:38 GMT -5
I have done close to 100 ML actions and a good weight is a #6 fluted, little beefy but no worries about heavy loads. I have used many modified sendero profiles but the shank needs to be at least 1.200 for 3 1/2" in front of the lug, the barrel tennon is right at 1.775 on a ML barrel so keep that in mind, the modified sendero is the very lightest I would go personally. as far as a carry gun goes 23-25" works great.
If you have questions I can guide you in the right direction on the ML action, just PM me and you can call me up...
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Post by markb317 on Dec 3, 2015 10:32:30 GMT -5
Stocky's has a new stock out that might be worth looking at. I think it is a Long Range Composite with an aluminium bedding block for right around $200 unpainted black finish.
My ML with a 28" Brux with muzzle brake,Savage Target action steel base and Night force Atacr scope in a Manners T5A and Harris bipod weighs in at 16#. You should be able getting to 10# pretty easy with the right parts.
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Post by Hank on Dec 3, 2015 14:11:11 GMT -5
Here is the rifle I finished today. It does not have a ram rod and weighs in at 10 pounds 5.2 ounces  |
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Post by hillbill on Dec 3, 2015 18:38:09 GMT -5
10 lbs scoped is doable but not real easy.
here is the recipe on an ML action
24" finished mod sendero fluted with a 5" shank @1.200 before threading leaving you about 3 1/4" front of the lug when threaded (can also brake the barrel)
B&C 2949 stock (2 lbs)
aluminum bolt shroud and trigger guard
good quality aluminum base (Talley)
fluted bolt with aluminum knob
Timney trigger (lighter than factory)
good Quality aluminum Rings (TPS)
2.5x8x36 vx3 leupold (example)
should get you right at 10 lbs but without the brake and full power loads its brutal..
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Post by Cheytac on Dec 3, 2015 21:43:49 GMT -5
Well Jeff built mine but I order the barrel from Krieger and sent it to him. The barrel was a modified medium palma (1-20") with the beach ran out to 4.25" and finishes at 30". Action is Remington SS 40x with a PTG bolt and jewel trigger. I only shoot the Parker 300gr Match hunter and
At 2900 FPS with their BC they do a good job bucking the wind.
I don't have anywhere close to the ML experience that some of these guys on this site have as I am a old hunter class and 1000 yard shooter.
That being said my breach plug is very well engineered , it has the ability to ignite 75.3 grains of powder with zero leakage every time, and that I feel is key to being able obtain 8 to 12 feet Standard deviation, which fascinates me to the point where i keep changing batteries in my chronograph cause that cant be right.
Anyway I name my gun "Breakfast Club" cause at first light on a cold morning It will scramble eggs at 300 yards and make orange juice at 400.
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Post by 10gaauto on Dec 7, 2015 11:54:55 GMT -5
Hank, Hillbill, keith, mark and chey, Thanks for the information. I'll keep all in mind as I go towards a build. I'll look at all and see what seems to fit my particulars and go from there. Still looking for any other suggestions and experiences.
My hunting season has been devoid of luck so far this season so I'm having to get serious about getting the herd under control. SOOO it's back to the #10 for hunting. Us 10 shooters just loaded up some 00 buckshots and that's what I'll be stuffing in the #10 Browning Gold for a while, if the deer cooperate nit works real good. Yeah, 18 pellets of 00 at 1400 +- is a real nasty deal. Hope all well. Thanks, 10
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Post by keith on Dec 7, 2015 19:43:01 GMT -5
The 700ML with modified Douglas 5A (5" shank) cut to 23" (plus break) with Murphy Ti base in Boyd's Tacticool weighs 9# clean. Add 14.9oz for a Leupold Vari X-III 2.5-8x36mm in Seekins rings and you are at 9lbs 14.9oz. I can shoot 275gn bullets in comfort without the break. When I go to 300gn bullets or heavier I want my break.
The Pierce single shot with Brux/HIS modified HV at 28" (plus break) weighs 12.5# with the same scope so it is around 11.5oz or so clean with a McMillan A3 and aluminum Pierce rail. Again,300gn and above I like the break.
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