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Post by Hank on Oct 18, 2015 13:54:39 GMT -5
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Post by rojo23 on Oct 18, 2015 14:32:26 GMT -5
Should make the cleaning a lot faster, it is half done. I think the head shot is the way to go.
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Post by keith on Oct 18, 2015 15:38:47 GMT -5
If you shoot from a shooting house (and most here seem to) where you can set the conditions then it seems like a viable option if a meat harvest is what you are after. I doubt any are a proponent of massive maxillary facial trauma when looking at a large buck though as it could damage antlers and render the specimen ineligible for official score (if you care) since a split skull cannot be entered to either of the record keeping clubs. I shoot for the chest because I am a ground mobile hunter and I am pretty much a quarter of minute of chest shooter when standing, kneeling, or shooting from various alts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 15:50:32 GMT -5
Shooting from a house where you can have a 90% chance or better to make the head shot then that's okay. However I've seen where someone shot the jaw off a deer and we could never get back on it and felt really bad we could not finish the deal. For me vitals only.
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Post by hillbill on Oct 18, 2015 15:51:25 GMT -5
head shots? while it kills well enough I like the heart/lungs for this main reason: a good bit of the blood in the animal leaves the meat in a hurry into the chest cavity/ground making the job of getting the blood out of the meat MUCH easier. I process my own deer and have a pretty good system for my meat ageing process.
I might post a how to in the how to section if anyone is interested.
nothing wrong with head shots but after doing it several times I decided its not for me.
yep its time to put some in the cooler, go play in the woods!
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Post by rojo23 on Oct 18, 2015 16:19:30 GMT -5
Bill, I would be interested. Seems like everyone can pick up a tip from someone.
Everyone likes a how to
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Post by keith on Oct 18, 2015 17:58:44 GMT -5
However I've seen where someone shot the jaw off a deer and we could never get back on it and felt really bad we could not finish the deal. I grew up with rifles and the occasional slug gun hunt. I moved from Texas to the South about 14 years ago and have seen this as a result of the tradition of shotguns with buck too. I don't like that either. Fine for bipeds who deserve it, but not quadrupeds who don't.
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Post by YankeeReb on Oct 18, 2015 18:14:39 GMT -5
I took head shots with a 22mag or my reduced load 223 in the past but that was only because I had to. That said the average hunter shouldn't do it because of what riverrat said.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 18:18:46 GMT -5
head shots? while it kills well enough I like the heart/lungs for this main reason: a good bit of the blood in the animal leaves the meat in a hurry into the chest cavity/ground making the job of getting the blood out of the meat MUCH easier. I process my own deer and have a pretty good system for my meat ageing process. I might post a how to in the how to section if anyone is interested. nothing wrong with head shots but after doing it several times I decided its not for me. yep its time to put some in the cooler, go play in the woods! Bill, i'd be interested in your ageing method also. Having grown up in Iowa I had the opportunity (or at the time PIA) to slaughter and process many a hog and cattle. The method I use for venison is to take the front and hind quarters , back straps and baby inside straps, lay them in a large cooler with ice in the bottom, plug removed and let the blood drain for 3 days, replacing ice in bottom as needed. Interested in other methods as I process my own deer meat too. I have a meat band saw/grinder.
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Post by beans on Oct 19, 2015 5:19:36 GMT -5
When you shoot deer with 300+ gr frangible bullets going over 3000 fps, you will blow the guts out of a deer. I won't tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do, but we use massive guns on small animals here. I think head shots are very risky for the reasons mentioned.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 7:27:21 GMT -5
What ever method you use to get your deer, hank congrats on a great couple deer that will feed the family? Sorry the threat got off to a bad conversation! Keep the deer coming!
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Post by Hank on Oct 19, 2015 15:08:44 GMT -5
Chad.
Nothing to be sorry for. We all have our methods and preferred way of hunting. I agree with you guys about making head shots and almost missing and the deer runs off wounded with out half a face. I have seen it happen before., however I have never done it. I have a neighbor that hunts with a 223 and he shoots everything in the head and he misses more than he hits, I saw one of his doe he shot running through the woods missing half its nose, I was not able to kill that deer and I have no idea what happened to it. I'm sure it died somewhere but could have lived for days if no one else shot it. But, back to the head shooting thing. Under no circumstances should you shoot at a deer's head free handed or if the deer is moving. You need to set yourself up for head shots and be prepared to pass a lot of shots it the deer is not standing perfectly still. Once you get the deer to freeze, you have a few seconds to line everything up and touch off the shot. I guess the biggest thing in head shooting is having the confidence that you can make the shot. Once you squeeze the trigger you can't go back and make an adjustment. You must have everything figured out and limit yourself to the distance you know you can make the shot. My limit is 200 yards with the 45 caliber SPML. If you practice and know your equipment and ability to shoot, then head shots are not really that hard to make. So for different hunting styles calls for different hunting techniques. The two doe in the pictures above were shot on the move in the woods free handed and they both ran about 30 to 40 yards before dropping over dead.
Kyle shot the first one and I finished up on the second one using the Apex conversion I built for myself as a light weight woods hunting rifle. Shooting 55 grains of 4198 and a 275 BE works real good. Kyle shot his doe with the 275 MH at 3000 FPS. His guts blew out the exit hole, the guts on the deer I shot blew out the entrance hole as the bullet did not pass through.
We set ourselves up in the evening to make a few head shots but the deer did not cooperate with us, although we saw 9 doe Sunday evening in the field the closet one was at the 275 yard mark and that was just a little past out comfort zone for head shots. We waited and hoped we would get some closer but that just didn't happen....
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Post by rojo23 on Oct 19, 2015 17:10:37 GMT -5
I have seen a deer that had it lower jaw shoot off one time, and luckily a buddy was able to kill her in the field. A deputy asked him to shoot her, she looked very weak.
With that said, I don't think you could just shoot the jaw off a deer with a smokeless muzzleloader and a Parker BE. I agree with Jeff on the shooting situation, need a good steady rest and a still deer. I think if you hit it in the ear that would be enough to kill it with a 3000 fps BE. If there is any question just watch the exploding deer target video.
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Post by orion2000 on Oct 31, 2015 8:03:14 GMT -5
Have "head shot" two deer under field conditions (.223 and .308). Both died. Neither instantly. Given a choice, I'll stick with heart/lung/shoulder shots.
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Post by deadeye on Nov 22, 2015 19:39:29 GMT -5
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Post by rossman40 on Nov 25, 2015 12:23:04 GMT -5
I like to go for a neck shot at 100yds or less but have done a couple of head shots. I like it when the deer drops DRT (dead right there). I have been known to wait till a deer is on the road before I drop the hammer, that way I can just pull up and throw them on the 4 wheeler. Dragging one back up that went 70' down the hill in SE Ohio is a biatch and I'm getting to old for that. However you have to weigh the quality of conditions, how good of a set-up you have for the shot and even the deers status. If the deer is just strolling along or eating with no worries is one thing but in full alert mode looking like it is ready to launch off a catapult is another.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 12:44:19 GMT -5
I like to go for a neck shot at 100yds or less but have done a couple of head shots. I like it when the deer drops DRT (dead right there). I have been known to wait till a deer is on the road before I drop the hammer, that way I can just pull up and throw them on the 4 wheeler. Dragging one back up that went 70' down the hill in SE Ohio is a biatch and I'm getting to old for that. However you have to weigh the quality of conditions, how good of a set-up you have for the shot and even the deers status. If the deer is just strolling along or eating with no worries is one thing but in full alert mode looking like it is ready to launch off a catapult is another. +1 Ken. I like the easy button.
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Post by keith on Nov 26, 2015 18:40:51 GMT -5
Gotta live hard to be hard. I had to drag my last one about 1/4 mile up hill and was down to a t-shirt by the end and sweating my ass off.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2015 19:08:42 GMT -5
Gotta live hard to be hard. I had to drag my last one about 1/4 mile up hill and was down to a t-shirt by the end and sweating my ass off. talk to me in 30 years.
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Post by itneverends22 on Nov 26, 2015 19:58:23 GMT -5
Gotta live hard to be hard. I had to drag my last one about 1/4 mile up hill and was down to a t-shirt by the end and sweating my ass off. talk to me in 30 years. + 1
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