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Post by linebaugh on Dec 28, 2015 19:23:19 GMT -5
Jeff, Do you sell those ramrod barrel bands? If so how much and do you offer any different sizes for different barrels.
Thanks.
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Post by Hank on Dec 28, 2015 19:39:20 GMT -5
Yes I sell them and I have several sizes that I keep in stock. I would need two measurements from your barrel, measurement 1 is 5 inches from the muzzle and measurement two is 6.25 from the muzzle. That is where I prefer to set my bands. Plus or minus a half once either way is good to go.. Pm me with the measurements and I'll see what I have
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Post by jims on Dec 29, 2015 13:06:01 GMT -5
It's your firearm and if it works that seems fine to me. To Linebaugh.
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Post by m4madness on Dec 31, 2016 22:32:29 GMT -5
My apologies for bringing a year old thread back from the dead, but I just purchased a CVA Apex in .45-70 and have been thinking of how I could add a ramrod. My understanding of reading above is that I can simply buy two of the T/C adapters (if still available), remove an amount from the two forearm screw posts equal to the height of the adapters, and cut a small radius in the front of the forearm to accommodate the ramrod. Correct? What screws would I need to attach the adapters to the barrel and the forearm to the adapters? Could I use a factory CVA .45 ramrod and barrel thimble(s)?
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Post by nyhunter on Jan 3, 2017 9:33:27 GMT -5
Yes you can convert your gun to accept a ramrod, you also will need a barrel band. However a lot of members are now going with a collapsible ramrod, due to the design of most break action guns and the reduced powder charge used in SML's the ramrod my actually not be long enough to seat the bullet all the way down. Enclosed is some info from Jeff Hankins site on the ramrods for sale, good luck. www.hankinscustomrifles.com/muzzle-loading-shooting-supplies/3-PIECE COLLAPSIBLE RAM ROD Currently available in 3 lengths - 27 3/8", 24 1/2", and 23.0" This is the length of the rod without a bullet seater. Add 2 inches for a spin jag. Price with Spin Jag Brand bullet seater: $70.00 Price Ram Rod Only: $40.00 Also available in custom lengths according to your specifications.
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Post by nyhunter on Jan 3, 2017 18:43:27 GMT -5
My apologies for bringing a year old thread back from the dead, but I just purchased a CVA Apex in .45-70 and have been thinking of how I could add a ramrod. My understanding of reading above is that I can simply buy two of the T/C adapters (if still available), remove an amount from the two forearm screw posts equal to the height of the adapters, and cut a small radius in the front of the forearm to accommodate the ramrod. Correct? What screws would I need to attach the adapters to the barrel and the forearm to the adapters? Could I use a factory CVA .45 ramrod and barrel thimble(s)? Just wanted to make sure you have a CVA Apex 45-70, the photo you referenced (which I realize you may be referencing the ramrod only) is a CVA muzzle-loader which CANNOT under no circumstances be used with smokeless powder. You will also need to have a breech-plug installed in the Apex 45-70. Contact "Hank" he is a qualified gunsmith and can advise you as well install a HIS breech-plug ( Hankins Ignition System) in your firearm.
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Post by m4madness on Jan 3, 2017 19:55:05 GMT -5
YES, my Apex is a 45.70. I just used the photo as a reference as to how I'd like to make my rifle look (and function) just like their muzzleloader. I do appreciate you looking out for the best interest of everyone here, as I don't want to see anyone get hurt.
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Post by m4madness on Jan 4, 2017 17:03:43 GMT -5
However a lot of members are now going with a collapsible ramrod, due to the design of most break action guns and the reduced powder charge used in SML's the ramrod my actually not be long enough to seat the bullet all the way down. I just checked, and the CVA Apex .45 muzzleloader barrel is 27" long, while the Apex .45-70 rifle barrel is 25". That will definitely help when using the smaller smokeless charges. My concern now is that the ramrod may be too long when mounted under a .45-70 barrel. Lol! Call me traditional, but I just prefer a firearm-mounted ramrod as opposed to a folding one carried in a pouch. I'll definitely research more before plopping down any cash on trying to add one.
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Post by nyhunter on Jan 4, 2017 17:34:40 GMT -5
However a lot of members are now going with a collapsible ramrod, due to the design of most break action guns and the reduced powder charge used in SML's the ramrod my actually not be long enough to seat the bullet all the way down. I just checked, and the CVA Apex .45 muzzleloader barrel is 27" long, while the Apex .45-70 rifle barrel is 25". That will definitely help when using the smaller smokeless charges. My concern now is that the ramrod may be too long when mounted under a .45-70 barrel. Lol! Call me traditional, but I just prefer a firearm-mounted ramrod as opposed to a folding one carried in a pouch. I'll definitely research more before plopping down any cash on trying to add one. The length of the ramrod is not the problem,you can purchase them and cut them to size. The problem stems from the overall length of your ramrod in relation to your Apex without protruding beyond the end of your barrel. Due to the design of break open guns most ramrods will not work out to be long enough to fully seat the bullet on the charge, this can lead to a very dangerous condition. I also like the look of a ramrod on the gun and have one mounted on my TC Encore SML conversion, however it is not long enough to fully seat the charge. I have in the past had to carry a bullet starter and once the ramrod reaches the muzzle I can continue seating the bullet all the way down on the charge with the starter. All that being said I find the collapsible ramrod easier, faster and safer to use. Additionally you are far less likely to make the mistake of not seating your bullet all the way down with the collapsible ramrod when used with a witness mark on such therefor avoiding the potential of a serious safety issue, especially in the excitement of a hunting situation. Good luck
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Post by Yankee Bill on Jan 4, 2017 20:07:21 GMT -5
However a lot of members are now going with a collapsible ramrod, due to the design of most break action guns and the reduced powder charge used in SML's the ramrod my actually not be long enough to seat the bullet all the way down. I just checked, and the CVA Apex .45 muzzleloader barrel is 27" long, while the Apex .45-70 rifle barrel is 25". That will definitely help when using the smaller smokeless charges. My concern now is that the ramrod may be too long when mounted under a .45-70 barrel. Lol! Call me traditional, but I just prefer a firearm-mounted ramrod as opposed to a folding one carried in a pouch. I'll definitely research more before plopping down any cash on trying to add one. Hi M4madness, and welcome to Hanks. You've found the right place for all things SML related. Sorry for the late reply but I haven't been around much recently. I was in the same boat as you last year when I had Jeff do my Apex conversion. I much prefer a Ramrod mounted to my gun also, for my style of hunting. After much discussion with Jeff about it, here is what he came up with for attaching one to my Apex. hanksmessageboard.freeforums.net/thread/794/woods-assassin.
I absolutely LOVE my gun, and it's a shooter too! However, as was previously mentioned, and depending on your load, the ramrod may well end up protruding past the end of your barrel some due to the design of the Apex. I ended up solving the "short" ramrod issue by getting some brass extensions from Spinjag (they come in several different lengths). I can't recall off the top of my head but with my hunting load of 35 gr. N-110 / 200 SST & HLBS I've 1-1/4" or so extending past my muzzle (I can go measure later if you'd like).
You can see how it looks in these pics: hanksmessageboard.freeforums.net/thread/1623/woods-assassin-draws-first-blood
I will caution you however, that if you are using one of the aluminum rods with the folding "T" handle to be VERY CAREFUL that the ramrod is secured in place in such a way that the handle will fold open perpendicular to the barrel (as the gun is being shouldered) should it be accidently folded down by bumping something in the woods. Which is not hard to do while leaning the gun against trees, etc. while hunting, it happened to me several times this year. It is very easy to place the rod on the gun rotated 180 degrees in which case when the handle is accidently bumped open, it is blocking the muzzle and in the path of the bullet. VERY DANGEROUS.
That being said, I still like having the ramrod there, and it extending past the barrel doesn't bother me too much as I look at my gun as a tool for a specific job. I may well go to a non-folding ramrod next year though to forego the above mentioned issue.
Hope this may be of some help to you. Let me know if you have any questions.
YB
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Post by m4madness on Jan 4, 2017 21:24:12 GMT -5
Thank you, Yankee Bill, for the welcome. Even though my buddy and I bought a pair of Savage 10ML rifles as soon as they were released (2000?), I'm still a newbie, as I ended up selling mine before I ever got to fire it. I did browse around on Doug's way back then when it was a Yahoo board, I believe, but that was the extent of it.
Fast forward almost two decades, and I picked up that rifle from my buddy. I again hit the internet and started researching, discovered .45 conversions, and decided that I'd rather have an Apex than the 10ML, so I sold it. I contemplated converting the Savage, but didn't want to dump a large sum of money into it. My sole usage is going to be treestand hunting back in the woods away from fields, so I have no use for a heavy, extreme range rifle. I'm no stranger to inline blackpowder rifles, and have killed plenty of deer with them, but have grown tired of messing with the dirty things. The Apex will give me the ability to use a .308 for our 16-day firearms season, then with a barrel swap, 16 more days of muzzleloader season with the same base rifle.
From my limited research, I'll probably be using 55-60 grains of IMR 4198 behind a 200-grain SST. I stopped at the only local shop that sells powder last night, and no H4198 on the shelf, so I had no choice but to grab a pound of IMR 4198. I've read that they are essentially interchangeable, with perhaps the IMR taking about 2 grains less to do the same thing.
As for my conversion, no offense to Jeff Hankins, but I'll probably use Jeff Fisk of Be Still Creations, as he is less than 100 miles from my door, and seems to have a good reputation. I'm wanting just a simple 209 ignition. My rifle should arrive at my dealer's shop from Carlos tomorrow, so I'm anxious to pick it up.
I'm still undecided as to whether to mount a ramrod or not. My T/C Omega's ramrod mounted flush with the muzzle from the factory with no jag installed, so I always had to carry one in my pocket anyway. It would be no problem to carry a loading jag with this new rifle to gain any extra length I may need to fully seat the bullet.
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Post by m4madness on Jan 16, 2017 16:07:35 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone is interested in adding a ramrod holder/adapter to their Apex, but I ordered the forearm adapter from T/C. The T/C part number that they sent is 55401372. Jeff said that you will need 2. Here is a photo of what they sent. I called T/C today, and the adapters have been discontinued and are no longer in stock.
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Post by leftyml on Jan 16, 2017 19:55:08 GMT -5
m4madness , you can get the adapters from arrowhead sporting goods,$25 per set.
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Post by m4madness on Jan 16, 2017 21:13:17 GMT -5
m4madness , you can get the adapters from arrowhead sporting goods,$25 per set. Are they listed on the website? If so, link? Thanks!
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Post by leftyml on Jan 17, 2017 19:35:18 GMT -5
Yes ,they are on web site . Look under Brux encore barrels.
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Post by m4madness on Jan 17, 2017 21:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 17, 2017 21:20:20 GMT -5
1 shot 1 kill problem solved
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Post by m4madness on Jan 17, 2017 21:24:01 GMT -5
Agreed. I just want my muzzleloader to look like one, if for no other reason than to avoid having people thinking I'm using a centerfire rifle during muzzleloader season. My SML barrel would look identical to my .308 barrel otherwise.
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Post by ourway77 on Jan 18, 2017 9:46:13 GMT -5
Just kidding I know what you are saying I got stopped by the possum Police they said some one called in that they saw a person go into the woods with a rifle Rem/Brux 45 caliber no ram rod does look like a rifle No problem he checked me and off he went
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