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Post by rojo23 on Oct 14, 2015 18:29:59 GMT -5
Not sure if anyone is interested in adding a ramrod holder/adapter to their Apex, but I ordered the forearm adapter from T/C. The T/C part number that they sent is 55401372. Jeff said that you will need 2. Here is a photo of what they sent.   |
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Post by YankeeReb on Oct 14, 2015 18:44:12 GMT -5
On the Apex the ML forend uses only one stud.
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Post by Hank on Oct 15, 2015 14:48:46 GMT -5
Ronnie... On the 45/70 apex barrel you will need two of those studs. The barrel is factory drilled for two mounting screws.. The forearm is drilled for two screws. If you were to use a ML forearm to eliminate one of the studs you would have to re-drill the barrel to re-locate for the single stud to be used.. To use the factory apex forearm all you would need to do is grind or mill off the post that the bolts go through at the correct height and mount two to of those studs... Cut a U shape in the front of the forearm and you should be ready to go... Here is a picture of the factory barrel and forearm.  |
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Post by YankeeReb on Oct 15, 2015 19:37:26 GMT -5
Sorry Jeff,I didn't realize you had something else in mind. I was thinking you were gonna weld on the studs and use the Apex ML forearm as is. Also I wasn't sure if you seen the ML forearm before.
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Post by Hank on Oct 15, 2015 20:31:34 GMT -5
If you had the ml forearm you could use only one stud, but with the 45/70 barrel and forearm I would prefer to use two studs and the original forearm. There's always more than one way to skin a cat...
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Post by thunder53 on Dec 17, 2015 18:55:06 GMT -5
I have an Apex conversion and have wanted to put a ramrod on it.
Are you telling me that if I got the one or two of the TC forearm adapters and used the Apex muzzleloader forearm it will work??
What diameter ramrod works with those TC adapters??
Got any pics of one set up like that??
BTW, how would you use the regular Apex forearm and make it work with a ramrod, wouldn't the adapters push it out too far and you'd have to cut some holes and rig up a spring piece to hold the ramrod in, wouldn't you??
Wouldn't it just be easier to use the muzzleloader forearm (especially if it is pretty much a plug and play set up?)
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Post by 4buck on Dec 17, 2015 21:28:21 GMT -5
Definitely some good info to know!
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Post by speedrackin on Dec 17, 2015 21:48:07 GMT -5
Not to be negative at all !!!! but thats one reason i like my encore lots of accessories to make it all so easy ..... it just takes more tinkering with the apex ......if u call t\c they will send u the studs the customer service rep even asked me if i wanted the screws .....and no charge had them in a couple of days .
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Post by thunder53 on Dec 17, 2015 22:46:46 GMT -5
Not to be negative at all !!!! but thats one reason i like my encore lots of accessories to make it all so easy ..... it just takes more tinkering with the apex ......if u call t\c they will send u the studs the customer service rep even asked me if i wanted the screws .....and no charge had them in a couple of days . Well, and I'm not looking to pick a fight, especially on my second post, but I have both a TC ProHunter SML and Apex SML and I'd lean exactly the opposite way. It definitely took a lot more tinkering with the TC to get it to shoot including a new pillared forearm, a Bellm 2X hinge pin, new Bellm locking bolt spring, Bellm firing pin, a Jim Hendershot trigger job and trigger stop screw. All said, it shoots great now. The Apex, once the barrel was converted, load, shoot, right on the MOA money. There definitely are lots more stocking options, etc. for the Encore. I have had stellar customer experience with CVA and on many occasions they have simply sent me what I needed without charge. I guess it shows there are many ways to go and end up at the same place.  |
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Post by speedrackin on Dec 18, 2015 7:15:45 GMT -5
Im not lookin to Piss in anyones corn flakes either its just my opinion . I do have a Begerra on my Encore .T/C is not what it once was , but neither is Remington . I dont mind the tinkering with the T/C . I haven't had any issues with TC customer service ,Begerra customer service is faster ill admit and i did buy the Begerra over the t/c barrel on the recommendation of Marty from haus of arms .I just have a thing about americn made . 32 yrs working on Lockheed C130's will sort of do that too ya . I have seen them CVA shoot thats for sure ! i just like all the parts and up grade options out there . and i just think a Encore is a sexier gun ........ JMO nothing more
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Post by thunder53 on Dec 18, 2015 10:44:18 GMT -5
Im not lookin to Piss in anyones corn flakes either its just my opinion . I do have a Begerra on my Encore .T/C is not what it once was , but neither is Remington . I dont mind the tinkering with the T/C . I haven't had any issues with TC customer service ,Begerra customer service is faster ill admit and i did buy the Begerra over the t/c barrel on the recommendation of Marty from haus of arms .I just have a thing about americn made . 32 yrs working on Lockheed C130's will sort of do that too ya . I have seen them CVA shoot thats for sure ! i just like all the parts and up grade options out there . and i just think a Encore is a sexier gun ........ JMO nothing more I agree, just expressing opinions  I do have two "regular" CVA muzzleloaders too, and as you said, they both shoot MOA with BH209 and Barnes. I'm actually thinking about selling the SML ProHunter to fund a bolt build, but we'll see  . |
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Post by speedrackin on Dec 18, 2015 11:57:11 GMT -5
Im lookin to dump some stuff i have in the safe to fund a bolt gun need a 400 yrder also
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Post by thunder53 on Dec 18, 2015 14:18:23 GMT -5
Im lookin to dump some stuff i have in the safe to fund a bolt gun need a 400 yrder also Yeah, this is clearly an additive habit. I might build, but am also keeping my eyes open for a already built, gently used .45 SML.
BTW, can anyone give me some feedback on my original question in this post, can you just swap in an APEX muzzleloader forearm onto the 45-70 barrel by using the TC ramrod adapters??? |
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Post by strider on Dec 19, 2015 16:42:40 GMT -5
The barrels have different contours so even if you could interchange them I don't think it will be a neat fit.
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Post by YankeeReb on Dec 20, 2015 9:14:25 GMT -5
The barrels have different contours so even if you could interchange them I don't think it will be a neat fit. The muzzleloader forearm is about 1.5 in longer than the 45/70 forearm and the last few inches is a little snug at the upper ears but it will flex on with no problem but if you don't like that all it takes is sanding .050 off each side of the last few inches of those ears.. That said I think Jeffs Idea is great. |
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Post by strider on Dec 28, 2015 17:31:17 GMT -5
What would you do about supporting the ramrod at the muzzle end? Any ideas about making and attaching a ferrule? Maybe Jeff would have an idea or two?
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Post by rojo23 on Dec 28, 2015 18:00:07 GMT -5
Jeff makes barrel bands that attach about 5" from the muzzle. I have seen some of the ferrules screwed to the bottom of the barrel.
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Post by YankeeReb on Dec 28, 2015 18:07:17 GMT -5
Jeffs barrel band press fit, dovetail, screwed or even welded or a cheap plastic clamp type like the remington ML.
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Post by Hank on Dec 28, 2015 19:14:23 GMT -5
Jeffs barrel band press fit, dovetail, screwed or even welded or a cheap plastic clamp type like the remington ML. On a tapered barrel they are made to press fit on, on a straight barrel they are made to just slide on the barrel and then locked in place with on set screw. The barrel band on the Remington Ultimate ml is aluminum anodized black |
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Post by linebaugh on Dec 28, 2015 19:21:03 GMT -5
Don't laugh too hard but I ran my ramrod side saddle just on the left side of the attachment screws. I used a remington factory ramrod holder provided by Hillbill or Fishawk (sorry I don't remember who) to support the ramrod out on the end of the barrel.
My ramrod happens to sit about 7:30-8:00 in position. I used JB weld epoxy to create the ramrod channel. It looks a bit redneck but having a ramrod attached was more important than looks.
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