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Post by nosmoke on Sept 5, 2017 9:21:43 GMT -5
I talked my buddy into switching to BH209 last year before season. I shoot Smokless but knew that BH209 was the ticket for BP substitutes. I took him to the range and everything was going good and then hang fires started. He's shooting 250gr Parker BE's with short back MMP sabot and BH209.
Done some researching and seen where people was drilling out the flash hole a fuzz bigger. But couldn't really find a straight answer on what size drill bits to buy.
If this is was I need to do for his gun what size drill bit or bits do I need to order?
Thanks in advance.
Also very aggravated with Traditions. Last year when this happened I called them and asked if I could purchase a updated breech plug specifically for BH209. I was assuming since BH209 is the way to go that Traditions would have came out with a BH209 breech plug like other gun makers are doing but tommy surprised they didn't have one. I kinda thought to myself why haven't they came out with and keeping up with the times. So this was a year ago. I called them the other day thinking maybe by now they would have a BH209 plug out and still no new updated plug. I don't understand why they don't want to keep up with the other muzzleloader gun company's and BH209's gaining popularity.
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Post by buckdoehunter on Sept 5, 2017 20:20:07 GMT -5
What primer is being used? How many shots on the plug when it hang fired? My traditions breech plug is already BH209 friendly, but it is not a vortex. Can you post a pic of the end of the plug? Is it flat at the end or does it have a cavity?
I've dealt with traditions customer service and it is at the bottom of the barrel. Never again.
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Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 6, 2017 10:41:03 GMT -5
The Vortek should fire BH209 no problem if the flash channel is kept clean with the correct size drill bit. Some guys add an o-ring in the primer pocket to improve the seal. They last for 20ish shots.
Use a mag primer
Keep flash channel clean with a drill bit by hand...Should be around a 3mm or a 1/8th" bit
Add o-ring to primer pocket if the primers are coming out dirty.
1/8th" flash channel is ok in shorter plugs but requires more cleaning
5/32" flash channel works great
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Post by nippernut on Sept 6, 2017 11:42:42 GMT -5
I would recommend magnum shotgun primers and use a torch tip cleaning tool instead of a drill bit
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Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 6, 2017 11:54:33 GMT -5
A tiny torch tip cleaner wont do much in a flash channel. A drill bit takes the carbon out in seconds. Chuck it up in a pin vise or use a hex head bit in a nut driver handle.
Super simple even with the plug still in the barrel.
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Post by nosmoke on Sept 6, 2017 18:16:10 GMT -5
Federal 209A Primers is what I got and what he was using. Still not quite exactly the answer I was looking for. Trying to find out what size bit I need to order for the flash hole.
And this is the first I heard about the o rings. Can someone point me in the direction of the o rings used?
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Post by itneverends22 on Sept 6, 2017 18:47:22 GMT -5
Federal 209A Primers is what I got and what he was using. Still not quite exactly the answer I was looking for. Trying to find out what size bit I need to order for the flash hole. And this is the first I heard about the o rings. Can someone point me in the direction of the o rings used? When I was shooting my knight disc, I was buying the o rings from McMaster+carr, the part # 9262k611, came in a package of 100, for around 5 bucks,they would last for 30-40 shots.. on 1 O ring.. |
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Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 7, 2017 9:31:46 GMT -5
Federal 209A Primers is what I got and what he was using. Still not quite exactly the answer I was looking for. Trying to find out what size bit I need to order for the flash hole. And this is the first I heard about the o rings. Can someone point me in the direction of the o rings used? Flash hole or flash channel?  I cant imagine why you would need to do anything to the flash hole. It grows with every shot. Between .028 and .035 flash HOLE is pretty much ok if the flash CHANNEL volume is adequate to handle the pressure. Drilling out the HOLE will only cause the plug to wear out faster and increase pressure on the primer but there may be enough room to install a vent liner when it does. All my Knight plugs are 5/32 flash CHANNEL. Savage plugs are 5/32. T/C and CVA BH209 plugs use 1/8". None of them are shipped with a .035 HOLE. Typically a flash HOLE is .028-.032 and it works fine. Both Savage and T/Cs were used in the early testing of Blackhorn209 because they work. Its pretty simple to get close to those dimensions with your plug and the bits i listed. You could go a step further and add a vent liner to your plug if/when you enlarge the channel.  |
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Post by nippernut on Sept 7, 2017 13:26:08 GMT -5
well the torch tip cleaning kit I have has about 18 different diameters and works well for mine and I am talking cleaning the flash hole not the flash channel, I use a carbon cleaner to clean all other areas of the plugs
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Post by GMB54-120 on Sept 9, 2017 10:29:09 GMT -5
A couple guys on another forum checked theirs for me. The flash channel is 1/8" on that plug. Clean out the carbon with a 1/8" bit and try again. If its really fouled you may need to use a smaller bit first.
The vast majority of the time i hear this on forums its a flash channel with lots of carbon build up. They all say its clean but after using a bit they find out it wasn't. Once its clean just run the bit again after around 10 shots or so. If your primers are coming out dirty then your channel is filling up faster too. In my Knight plugs that seal nearly perfect and have a 5/32 channel i can shoot well over 20 shots and ive gone as far as 40+ without removing the carbon.
BTW i never put anything abrasive in the flash HOLE. I only use smooth part of a torch tip cleaner to measure it. Blackhorn is abrasive enough and very hard on the flash hole.
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