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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 23:02:17 GMT -5
Measure your powder with a scale, Size your bullets on a fouled barrel witness mark loading rod amen |
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Post by rojo23 on Sept 15, 2015 17:20:29 GMT -5
Also remove the ramrod, I have a friend that left his in on his black powder muzzleloader. Luckily there was not any issue, just kicked him like a mule.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 19:30:49 GMT -5
And stay focused.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 21:15:34 GMT -5
Important points that should not be ignored....We are human and do make mistakes,when in doubt of something ,check it twice.....
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Post by Hank on Sept 16, 2015 21:00:54 GMT -5
And never, never, ever double load and pull the trigger or you will most likely wind up like this.  I Or this.  So always be careful and keep your mind on what you're doing... |
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Post by kskaggs on Sept 17, 2015 7:18:46 GMT -5
Wow!! Bet that left a mark!!
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Post by Richard on Sept 17, 2015 10:41:13 GMT -5
Good one Hank!
From Luke's post on Doug's!!!!!
I threaded that barrel for a muzzle brake! Had that been a barrel with more meat on it and not had all that metal removal for the "disco ball" flutes, it probably would have only bulged. Being a sendero taper did not help either!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 14:39:10 GMT -5
Good one Hank! From Luke's post on Doug's!!!!! I threaded that barrel for a muzzle brake! Had that been a barrel with more meat on it and not had all that metal removal for the "disco ball" flutes, it probably would have only bulged. Being a sendero taper did not help either! When did Luke have a centerfire conversion...? |
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Post by Richard on Sept 17, 2015 18:03:16 GMT -5
That picture was from over 6 months ago. Didn't realize it was a CF until you just mentioned it and I looked at the model number? Couldn't tell from just the barrel (which was all he sent me?)
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Post by Hank on Sept 17, 2015 18:56:58 GMT -5
Hang on fellas... Those are two different rifles.. The top one was Luke's and was built on a ML action I do believe. The bottom rifle was from another guy that contacted me some time back about this rifle he had built by a guy that lives close to him.. That man lost his thumb when that rifle blew up, but that did not stop him. He ordered a rifle from me with the HIS system and bigger barrel.. If you look at the second picture you can see that barrel was a Remington Sendaro contour with a 1.200 shank of about a half inch.. That is not near enough for the loads we shoot in these guns.. He told me he would never shoot more than 68 grains of 4198 ever...
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Post by hillbill on Sept 17, 2015 21:51:22 GMT -5
I have said little about swelling the barrel on my lightweight gun some time back, I posted it on the other board.
I finally determined that I didn't double load that gun. here is what happened, and I think what likely happened to Lukes as well.
my barrel was very dirty and had not been cleaned, I had an unmarked generic rod with me and the bullets were going down VERY hard.
I pushed the bullet down and thought I had it seated but it actually just stopped short of being on the powder charge. YES it is possible for the gun to fire without the bullet being seated on the powder, it just has to have enough resistance to build pressure ( as in a cf cartridge).
Hammer downs are dangerous! if not fully seated the gun will still fire but with an air gap, not good!
how did I determine this? after removing my barrel I did some careful measuring and the bulge was VERY close to where the bullet should be sitting.. if it had been a double load the bulge would have been farther down the barrel.
How do I know this?
I have removed two confirmed bulged/ double loaded barrels from Savage MLs and with the same careful measurements the bulge happens between the two bullets..
I didn't think there was any way I could have double loaded because I was only getting one load out at a time as I fired them.
I didn't realize the gun would fire without a fully seated bullet??? but after I thought about it long and hard, Why not?? that's the way a CF works, the bullet rarely sits on the powder unless its a hand load..
I learned a very valuable lesson that day, and an expensive one as well.
NEVER let your barrel get so dirty that you have to hammer a bullet down! you could stop short just as I did with the same results..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 22:04:32 GMT -5
Good stuff Bill...
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Post by schunter on Sept 18, 2015 7:47:25 GMT -5
I have said little about swelling the barrel on my lightweight gun some time back, I posted it on the other board. I finally determined that I didn't double load that gun. here is what happened, and I think what likely happened to Lukes as well. my barrel was very dirty and had not been cleaned, I had an unmarked generic rod with me and the bullets were going down VERY hard. I pushed the bullet down and thought I had it seated but it actually just stopped short of being on the powder charge. YES it is possible for the gun to fire without the bullet being seated on the powder, it just has to have enough resistance to build pressure ( as in a cf cartridge). Hammer downs are dangerous! if not fully seated the gun will still fire but with an air gap, not good! how did I determine this? after removing my barrel I did some careful measuring and the bulge was VERY close to where the bullet should be sitting.. if it had been a double load the bulge would have been farther down the barrel. How do I know this? I have removed two confirmed bulged/ double loaded barrels from Savage MLs and with the same careful measurements the bulge happens between the two bullets.. I didn't think there was any way I could have double loaded because I was only getting one load out at a time as I fired them. I didn't realize the gun would fire without a fully seated bullet??? but after I thought about it long and hard, Why not?? that's the way a CF works, the bullet rarely sits on the powder unless its a hand load.. I learned a very valuable lesson that day, and an expensive one as well. NEVER let your barrel get so dirty that you have to hammer a bullet down! you could stop short just as I did with the same results.. Bill I believe this is exactly what happened to me at the Challenge. The first bullet I loaded for the 100 yard match loaded very hard but I felt it hit the powder and it impacted on the target exactly where it was supposed to. #2 loaded even harder and I thought it was on the powder but not sure and it impacted 4 inches high and to the right a little. #3 loaded the same way and impacted right beside # 2. I don't believe either bullet was completely seated on the powder. I cleaned the gun after that and the gun loaded normally for the 200 yard match and shot where it was sighted in for.
I was shooting two different guns at the challenge and didn't have a witness mark on the ramrod. Lesson learned and luckily no problem.
The load I was shooting is mild at 10/50 SR4759/IMR4198.
Thanks for sharing your story!
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Post by Richard on Sept 18, 2015 12:37:17 GMT -5
That is what happens when you assume the one picture is the same as the other? Just kind of glanced at it and figure they were both of Luke's gun. Looking at it now, it is very obvious they are two different rifles.
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Post by bakaboy on Sept 25, 2015 13:24:23 GMT -5
Good lesson. I've had hammer down situations where the bullet seemed to reach the bottom but was actually off the charge. I was lucky to catch it. It is one more danger a witness mark can reveal.
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Post by Kyle on Sept 25, 2015 17:50:56 GMT -5
Prime your gun as the last operation in your loading sequence. Never raise or lower a primed gun from your stand.
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Post by keith on Sept 25, 2015 20:13:48 GMT -5
Stand? Good thing I don't use those. Sounds dangerous.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 20:48:20 GMT -5
My gun is always unloaded and pointed down when i rope up to or down from a deer stand
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 22:33:16 GMT -5
Smokeless loads can stay unfired for extended lengths of time and fire with no point of impact variance ....With bp,777,etc Its a roll of the dice,imo....I live in florida and very humid sometimes .I am glad they are allowing smokeless guns this year....There is a 10 day hunt and the rut is on in feb.21-31we have the last hunt of the year for the US...
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