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Post by codyquillen82 on Feb 28, 2017 20:21:09 GMT -5
I have been shooting 65 grains of h4198 using 270gr mach Hunter in a Savage small Shank it has Savage plug 28-inch barrel 1/18 twist how much more do you think it can stand and if I get these to 2800 feet per second with this set up
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Post by hillbill on Mar 1, 2017 8:53:09 GMT -5
cody
without a doubt you can get to 2800 BUT no one is going to stick their neck out and tell you to do so in a small shank barrel. If you ever double load you will be in grave danger with a small shank barrel, that's the reason for no replies to your post. are there guys that run charges above that? likely but IMO i would never advise someone to do so.
Just didn't want you to think you were being snubbed or ignored.
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Post by codyquillen82 on Mar 1, 2017 9:10:25 GMT -5
Thanks hillbily
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Post by Richard on Mar 1, 2017 9:44:13 GMT -5
Not only that, but the gain in POI is so little, it is barely noticeable? Just as an example, last week (seem my report "to brake or not to brake") I shot a 1.372" group at 300 yards with Kyle's 300gr. AEROMAX (these were initial test bullets he sent me) There was an Extreme Spread in the three shots of 77 fps............2727, 2783 and 2804. It was interesting how this large spread produced such a good group? I kind of thought it should have been bigger and more vertical. So I went to JBM calculations (a ballistic website) and ran the numbers. I was surprised that there was only .300" (three tenths of an inch) difference between the fastest and slowest shots. That, along with the ability to get all the other mechanicals together for a 300 yard shot, it was easy to see how the group was, what it was?
So worrying about getting another 75 or 100 fps more with a marginal high pressure load is just not worth it. You can always put another click in your scope and still be on target.
Heed what Hillbill posted! A double charge in a small shank Savage is not what you want to experience! I was fortunate a few months ago when I double charged my Rem/Brux which is 1.250 fat over the chamber area. The bulge fattened it to 1.275. Had it been your rifle, you might have a few less fingers. And yes, ANYONE can get sidetracked and do a double load. Many on this forum have done it. Some caught it prior to ignition and others not? In 99% of all cases of barrel blow ups, its not the high pressure load but the double charge that will get you in trouble.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2017 12:54:55 GMT -5
I'm glad Hillbill and Richard posted what they did because they are correct in what they have said about no one suggesting a load. Just that no one wants to get anyone hurt.
With what Richard said I'd recommend a witness mark on your ram rod. What I've done is put a locking collar on my ram rod. When collar hits the top of my barrel it is at the desired depth. It saved my butt one day at the range when every one and their mom was asking me questions about my muzzleloader. I doubled loaded and as soon as it stopped I knew exactly what happened.
Find a comfortable accurate load and stick with that, don't worry about speed it doesn't gain you much. Good luck
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Post by codyquillen82 on Mar 1, 2017 13:33:19 GMT -5
Thanks guys and I hope I did not offend anybody I did not want to put anybody on the spot I was just more looking for a guideline that people has done in the past with this kind of setup. I hope to build a Remington 700 a little later with a 1.250 Shank
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Post by schunter on Mar 1, 2017 14:02:48 GMT -5
I can guarantee you didn't offend anybody. If your current load is shooting well and you are comfortable with it I wouldn't change a thing. As Richard said just a few more clicks on the scope and you are good to go.
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Post by codyquillen82 on Mar 1, 2017 14:24:02 GMT -5
I'm going to try to come to the next shoot that Jeff has see what I can learn from there from the you guys and thank.
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Post by Richard on Mar 1, 2017 16:42:56 GMT -5
It will be the best money you could spend! You can see, feel, touch,shoot and pick brains from many knowledgeable shooters.
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Post by dennis on Mar 1, 2017 17:13:39 GMT -5
After going to the polar bear event and seeing first hand what some of the guys are shooting it was an eye opener to say the least. It takes time to gain the knowledge that Richard and many of the others have with these sml's. I only hunt with my 2 sml's so I use the smaller shank barrels but I have double charged one myself and am glad to still have all my body parts. I pay extra attention now and use witness marks also. When in doubt unload it just to be safe. There have been several members on the board who told me they were glad I wasn't hurt and it made me set back and take notice. I am thankful for the input of all the veterans of the sport. BE SAFE.
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Post by hillbill on Mar 3, 2017 8:49:29 GMT -5
cody
I would much rather see guys ask the kind of question you did than to blindly pour powder down the barrel to see how much speed a load will make, I know guys that shoot hotter charges in a small shank than you but they are also operating a fast boat without a life vest.
As Richard said ANYONE can load a double charge, ANYONE, I don't care who you are or how good you think you are it can and does happen far too often.
We would love to see you at the spring shoot, yes you will see things that are on the wild side as far as equipment goes and you will learn a lot.
I can guarentee that you will eat well, meet a lot of great guys and enjoy the whole experience, I'm already looking forward to it.
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Post by codyquillen82 on Mar 3, 2017 16:33:59 GMT -5
Thanks for all your help I hope to make it to the spring shoot and meet up with you guys and hopefully learn a thing or two about the smokeless muzzleloaders. thanks again
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Post by nyhunter on Mar 5, 2017 9:25:13 GMT -5
It will be the best money you could spend! You can see, feel, touch,shoot and pick brains from many knowledgeable shooters. +1+1+1 / Well said Richard !!! You will also meet a great bunch of people gathered together in a friendly atmosphere and all willing to help each other out in whatever way they can. |
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