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Post by elkman1310 on Feb 10, 2017 17:14:45 GMT -5
You are trying to compare two totally different design breech plugs HIS plug is really short in AOL and in flame channel. If you used the same length breech plugs that a Savage or any of the Shoulder designs the LRMP will fail to ignite straight powder charges in cold weather or even in warm weather. One of the first muzzleloaders I ever built I used a long cartridge case and keep my breech plug to the OAL of a stock Savage 209 plug It was not reliable. So please don't try to compare the two I will never tell any of my customers that they need to duplex a load to get accuracy or reliable ignition If I had to duplex a powder charge I quit building muzzleloaders.
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Post by linebaugh on Feb 10, 2017 17:39:27 GMT -5
You are trying to compare two totally different design breech plugs HIS plug is really short in AOL and in flame channel. If you used the same length breech plugs that a Savage or any of the Shoulder designs the LRMP will fail to ignite straight powder charges in cold weather or even in warm weather. One of the first muzzleloaders I ever built I used a long cartridge case and keep my breech plug to the OAL of a stock Savage 209 plug It was not reliable. So please don't try to compare the two I will never tell any of my customers that they need to duplex a load to get accuracy or reliable ignition If I had to duplex a powder charge I quit building muzzleloaders. You mean like the VariFlame adapters that Cecil at PR sells to adapt a 209 to LRMP ignition? Those actually worked quite well for the limited time I spent with them. This was with a stock savage 10ML2, straight VV-N120 and sabots. Don't recall vent liner size used but it was a savage plug.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2017 18:09:58 GMT -5
You are trying to compare two totally different design breech plugs HIS plug is really short in AOL and in flame channel. If you used the same length breech plugs that a Savage or any of the Shoulder designs the LRMP will fail to ignite straight powder charges in cold weather or even in warm weather. One of the first muzzleloaders I ever built I used a long cartridge case and keep my breech plug to the OAL of a stock Savage 209 plug It was not reliable. So please don't try to compare the two I will never tell any of my customers that they need to duplex a load to get accuracy or reliable ignition If I had to duplex a powder charge I quit building muzzleloaders. You mean like the VariFlame adapters that Cecil at PR sells to adapt a 209 to LRMP ignition? Those actually worked quite well for the limited time I spent with them. This was with a stock savage 10ML2, straight VV-N120 and sabots. Don't recall vent liner size used but it was a savage plug. I will be perfectly clear in my comparison. 1 In no way am I saying the lrmp is better as a stand alone primer 2 we all know that a 209 must be supported well and must have more flame channel volume to avoid failure where an lrmp in a module does not. I am saying, for the record, the way that each must be set up to operate safely the lrmp is a better ignition system...hands down. I will let it be.
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Post by Richard on Feb 11, 2017 12:03:22 GMT -5
Lets just clarify this thread a little.............most of what has been discussed refers to SABOT-LESS bullets! When it comes to SABOTED bullets, the sabot is able to build/maintain pressure more easily and hence will work better with single powder loads and weaker priming systems. When most were shooting .50's with sabots, rarely was there an ignition problem with 209 Winchesters and single loads. It was more a problem with TOO much pressure and blowing sabots. SABOT-LESS is a different animal and a different set of parameters prevail! A good discussion and thanks to all who contributed!
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Post by mooseman on Feb 13, 2017 7:56:43 GMT -5
In my experience the Barnes 290 FB is the most accurate bullet I ever shot. It was the bullet Brother Rick recommended and developed loads for. I used 66grs of 4198 felt wad, its the load I used to kill many dimes and Moose too. While I never shot it 5 degree temp. it always went bang. I knuled to fit my barrel .452
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Post by davesonic444 on Feb 13, 2017 16:43:34 GMT -5
I recently went to R7 single with my McGowan (savage plug) win209 and found it will go bang every time with 250ftx knurled to .453 and a dry wool wad under 72gr. I put the loaded rifle in my freezer and fired first try.
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