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Post by elkman1310 on Jan 20, 2017 17:23:13 GMT -5
Just got a email and picture from Boyds there making a new gun stock with a lot of adjustable features that is suppose to fit just about everyone sorry I can't post the picture it came from the shot show.
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Post by Richard on Jan 20, 2017 17:39:06 GMT -5
Send it to me and I will post it?  |
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Post by elkman1310 on Jan 20, 2017 17:45:49 GMT -5
ok
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2017 18:34:58 GMT -5
Come on Richard....a new stock is Big news,lol....
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Post by elkman1310 on Jan 20, 2017 20:14:00 GMT -5
Sorry I can't send Richard the picture because Boyd's sent it to me by email and I forwarded to another guy and for some reason I lost it. Boyd's should have it on their web sight pretty soon.
It looks like a modified Pro Varmint with adjustable cheek piece and adjustable recoil pad not sure if it includes a spring system for recoil reduction or only for length of pull Boyds says it will be avaible in March
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Post by boonechaser on Jan 20, 2017 20:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by doug136 on Jan 20, 2017 20:33:00 GMT -5
Stockys is suppose to have a new stock also with adjustment . Sort of a pro varmint copy also . At least they told me .
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Post by Hank on Jan 20, 2017 20:33:18 GMT -5
I watched the video and I must say I am not impressed. The pistol grip area is squared off and I think that would be very uncomfortable and the 9/16 inch of adjustment in the cheek piece is about half as much as needed... I guess someone will get one soon and give us a firs hand update....
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Post by doug136 on Jan 20, 2017 20:57:15 GMT -5
I hate the squared edges that looks unfinished !
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Post by motox369 on Jan 20, 2017 21:05:29 GMT -5
Doesn't look good to me either but hey I'm sure some will love it
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Post by mike on Jan 21, 2017 0:17:17 GMT -5
This post caught my attention, but after hearing the rep say the adjustable comb has only 9/16" total adjustment range I think this is made more for those who want to look cool than for those who seek true functionality. With a 54mm objective on my Hankins 45-SPML with Boyds Varmint Thumbhole stock, I need about an inch of vertical height adjustment to weld under my cheek-bone and line up my eye with the scope.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 21, 2017 10:17:03 GMT -5
IMO It will look right at home in a STORMTROOPER'S hands on the next 'StarWars' movie
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Post by elkman1310 on Jan 21, 2017 10:45:45 GMT -5
Well I just mentioned that it was something new. Sounds like a lot of negative comments so we probably won't see anyone using one a M/L anytime soon.
I have shot off hand competition for over 30 years and was very successful at it winning my state high power titles and I have never seen a need for an adjustable cheek piece on any of my guns. I have always used high mounts on all my guns and use very little cheek pressure that solid cheek weld is a bunch of BS IMO. The more downward cheek pressure you place on a gun stock will always cause vertical groups and also the same goes for pistol grips that cause a shooter to really exert to much pressure on the stock. You rarely will you find any thumbhole benchrest stocks at a 100 yard match or a 600 or 1,000 yard match you don't want to have your hand in the stock at the time the gun recoils they may look nice but you won't be winning matches with them. F class shooters my benefit from a adjustable cheek piece because they lay on the ground and that will but your body in a different position then when you shoot off a bench. If you go to Benchrest match you will see many scopes that are mounted 3" above the bore and the shooter never touches the gun stock with his cheek so that's how things are.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 21, 2017 11:31:53 GMT -5
Everybody has and is entitled to their own opinion.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 21, 2017 11:33:55 GMT -5
Everybody has and is entitled to their own opinion. Elkman your opinion is valued here as is everybody else's. Thank you for your input. I aint winning any matches....thats for sure. I like an adjustable cheek as a reference point to align my face and eye position in reference to the proper eye relief. And it works for me. Given the choice I will opt for the cheek adjustable piece when available. Thats the beauty fo the adjustable cheek piece. When I dont feel the need gor it I will be able to just collapse it down to neutral and carry on. Now back to the stock? It has probably been researched deeply by Boyds and found there is a market for it. I feel it is just due to supply and demand. So this stock can be introduced for "Market Stimulation" It just doesnt appeal to me in pictures. Maybe in person it feels great to some. Time will tell. If it can be configured to what ever the buyer wants. I dont like the mix of black plastic and wood grain myself. But thats just my personal opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2017 12:30:07 GMT -5
Well I just mentioned that it was something new. Sounds like a lot of negative comments so we probably won't see anyone using one a M/L anytime soon. I have shot off hand competition for over 30 years and was very successful at it winning my state high power titles and I have never seen a need for an adjustable cheek piece on any of my guns. I have always used high mounts on all my guns and use very little cheek pressure that solid cheek weld is a bunch of BS IMO. The more downward cheek pressure you place on a gun stock will always cause vertical groups and also the same goes for pistol grips that cause a shooter to really exert to much pressure on the stock. You rarely will you find any thumbhole benchrest stocks at a 100 yard match or a 600 or 1,000 yard match you don't want to have your hand in the stock at the time the gun recoils they may look nice but you won't be winning matches with them. F class shooters my benefit from a adjustable cheek piece because they lay on the ground and that will but your body in a different position then when you shoot off a bench. If you go to Benchrest match you will see many scopes that are mounted 3" above the bore and the shooter never touches the gun stock with his cheek so that's how things are. I don't think anyone who has commented on the product you mentioned is in anyway being negative about you personally. I think you are held in high regard, just not this particular product. |
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Post by hillbill on Jan 21, 2017 14:25:18 GMT -5
Give it a chance guys, you never know til you sit behind it, might be a decent stock
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 21, 2017 14:40:13 GMT -5
Im already guilty of hanging out with fat barrels.....dont wanna be guilty of ugly stocks too...JK
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Post by Richard on Jan 21, 2017 17:31:41 GMT -5
Something about a "one stock fits all" turns me off? It lacks individuality! But, I am sure there is a market for them...................how well it go over?...........time will tell. You have to give them credit for the effort.
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Post by mike on Jan 21, 2017 21:13:54 GMT -5
Well I just mentioned that it was something new. Sounds like a lot of negative comments so we probably won't see anyone using one a M/L anytime soon. I have shot off hand competition for over 30 years and was very successful at it winning my state high power titles and I have never seen a need for an adjustable cheek piece on any of my guns. I have always used high mounts on all my guns and use very little cheek pressure that solid cheek weld is a bunch of BS IMO. The more downward cheek pressure you place on a gun stock will always cause vertical groups and also the same goes for pistol grips that cause a shooter to really exert to much pressure on the stock. You rarely will you find any thumbhole benchrest stocks at a 100 yard match or a 600 or 1,000 yard match you don't want to have your hand in the stock at the time the gun recoils they may look nice but you won't be winning matches with them. F class shooters my benefit from a adjustable cheek piece because they lay on the ground and that will but your body in a different position then when you shoot off a bench. If you go to Benchrest match you will see many scopes that are mounted 3" above the bore and the shooter never touches the gun stock with his cheek so that's how things are. Hi elkman,
I appreciate your post about the new Boyds stock. As I originally commented, your post caught my attention because I made the mistake of buying a rifle with a stock that simply doesn't fit well due to the large objective scopes most of us use these days.
However, I disagree strongly with your comment about cheek-weld not being important. I do not participate in rifle shooting competition and am probably safe in believing that you have probably forgotten more than I know about the shooting sciences. But I do know what conditions allow me to shoot my many rifles very accurately.
While shooting heavy, low recoil level rifles, with 2 ounce triggers, off of rock solid rests without any cheek contact is the routine for competition; it certainly IS NOT the proper technique for shooting a rifle in widely varying hunting conditions. I'm sure you will agree that consistency is a critically important factor is accurate shooting be it rifle, handgun, bow, slingshot or spear. And in varying hunting conditions with a rifle, a solid cheek-weld is critical to obtaining the highest level of consistency. Improper eye alignment resulting from improper cheek-weld height is as good as no consistent cheek-weld at all. Proper cheek-weld to align one's eye with the scope is the entire purpose of an adjustable comb. My original comment about the Boyds stock only having 9/16" total vertical adjustment is based on the fact that I need to have almost 1" elevation to raise my eye to align with my rifle's scope (rings produce .140" clearance between scope bell and barrel). Trying to shoot my rifle accurately with the stock contacting only my lower jaw IS NOT the proper way to shoot, besides being very uncomfortable.
I sure wouldn't like to watch the results of what would happen if a competition shooter chose to fire my non-muzzle-braked Hankins 45-SPML without putting their face down on the stock and hanging on to the rifle............
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