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Post by doug136 on Jan 13, 2017 13:47:49 GMT -5
I have a gun that's bedded but not pillered. Which is more important ? Can I put pillers in after the gun is bedded ? Need thoughts and opinions. Thanks
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Post by jsthntn247 on Jan 13, 2017 15:03:42 GMT -5
If its devcon or marine tex bedded without pillars, you're probably ok. If you go back and add pillars you will need to grind it out and start over.
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Post by linebaugh on Jan 13, 2017 15:51:05 GMT -5
What stock? If it's the laminated style I would not worry about it. Shoot it and forget you ever wondered as you will probably never see any difference. Biggest gripe about the laminate boyds is that piece of plastic they put in the front screw hole. Replace it with a washer and a cut to fit cap screw if you get tired of that mushy feeling every time you tighten the gun up.
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Post by Richard on Jan 13, 2017 21:10:46 GMT -5
The object of pillars is so you get a positive and solid lock up of your action screws each and every time you remove and replace the action from the stock. It also eliminates stress on the action by one screw being tighter than the other. With no room for compression, you can only tighten it so much and then the screw stops or breaks? With wood/wood laminates and even plastic, there is room for compression. If there was no need for it, then the thousands of benchrest shooters would not be using them? They are good insurance and eliminate one piece in the accuracy equation.  |
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Post by doug136 on Jan 13, 2017 23:50:34 GMT -5
It's a Laminate. Sounds like I could still add a pillar ? This particular gun has only mounting screw that holds the action in the stock.
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Post by Richard on Jan 14, 2017 17:11:08 GMT -5
I don't know of any rifle built for accuracy that would only have one screw to hold the action in the stock Doug...........that being said, probably just a decent bedding jog that mates up the recoil lug will do fine. Were you aware that most of the short range benchrest rifles (at least in the not too distant past) use NO screws to secure the action to the stock? The action, once fitted, is Glued OR Epoxied into the stock. This insures Zero movement or stress on the action.
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Post by hillbill on Jan 14, 2017 18:40:18 GMT -5
I would pillar it and so would Richard BUT we do it all the time so it's not a big deal for us, if it shoots well now I would put an index mark on the action screws and check for future movement, if the action loosens up it's time to do a pillar and rebed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2017 18:44:46 GMT -5
+1 on the pillars. ..mine haven't budged, wish I could say the same for the scope, got that fixed hopefully.
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Post by doug136 on Jan 14, 2017 19:16:36 GMT -5
I feel pretty stupid . The gun is bedded and already has a pillar installed . I didn't even realize it. I think I have another problem.
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Post by dannoboone on Jan 15, 2017 0:05:07 GMT -5
Just "a pillar"?? Not two??
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Post by Hank on Jan 15, 2017 8:27:33 GMT -5
What gun is it......? Not all rifles have two mounting screws.
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Post by doug136 on Jan 15, 2017 10:28:15 GMT -5
Jeff it's a Knight . It's the Knight you bedded for me I asked you to bed the gun but did not realize you also put a pillar in the stock . I'm messing with 2 different Knights because at Friendship this year they are gonna have a Manufactures class and a open class . Open class I'll shoot one of my Hankins and in the Manufactures class I'll shoot a Knight . I'm having problems with the gun throwing one now and then . I'll have 1/2 group or less going then it will throw one 2 or 3 inches ! Very strange. I really think it has something to do with the stock and when the barrel heats up . I have sanded the crap out of the stock trying to get the barrel to free float but it still makes contact at the bottom of the barrel . Imy gonna completely free floating the barrel today in another stock if that does not work I'm seriously thinking about bedding the entire barrel to help support this low profile barrel . I'm trying hard to figure out why I keep getting fliers .
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Post by doug136 on Jan 15, 2017 10:40:05 GMT -5
The gun has only one pillar and one mounting screw . Jeff did a awsome job bedding the action it fits perfectly. But I'm getting contact at the bottom of the barrel and I'm wondering if that's why I'm getting fliers . It seems to happen when the barrel heats up . I'm gonna shoot the gun some more today . I have another stock that is completely free floated ( I did not realize this gun would fit in that stock ) hopefully that will tell me something .But I'm running out of bullets . I HAVE to be one of Kyle's best customers ! I should take a picture of all the empty Pittman bullet boxes I have and I have even threw a few boxes away !
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Post by deadeye on Jan 15, 2017 11:32:33 GMT -5
But I'm getting contact at the bottom of the barrel and I'm wondering if that's why I'm
more than likely that's the flier problem.
remember the 3 B's
Bedding Barrel Bullets- I think we can cross this item off the list as possible flier problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2017 11:33:55 GMT -5
But I'm getting contact at the bottom of the barrel and I'm wondering if that's why I'm
more than likely that's the flier problem.
remember the 3 B's
Bedding Barrel Bullets- I think we can cross this item off the list as possible flier problem. You forgot scope. |
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Post by deadeye on Jan 15, 2017 11:45:45 GMT -5
But I'm getting contact at the bottom of the barrel and I'm wondering if that's why I'm
more than likely that's the flier problem.
remember the 3 B's
Bedding Barrel Bullets- I think we can cross this item off the list as possible flier problem. You forgot scope. rambler you are correct- the 3 B 's after satisfied the mounts are tight,scope not sliding in rings,ocular screw is tight, etc |
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Post by doug136 on Jan 15, 2017 20:56:12 GMT -5
Thanks guys checking everything
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Jan 15, 2017 21:06:55 GMT -5
Yeah ....scope....i hat it when we are chasing paper all over....looking for answers.
Drop
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Post by hillbill on Jan 15, 2017 22:25:20 GMT -5
doug
how far in front of the lug is it bedded?
the single screw Knight actions need some support 2-3" in front of the lug, otherwise it will rock in the stock, if you see wear marks on the rear of the action that might be the culprit, it's been a long while since I had one so i'm only going on my not so good memory.
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Post by doug136 on Jan 16, 2017 9:14:34 GMT -5
I'll check again but I don't think it's that far
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