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Post by Richard on Dec 7, 2016 20:59:22 GMT -5
The weather today was clear with no wind and starting out at around 37* @7:30; a good day for testing some of Kyle’s new 300 gr. AeroMax bullets. I would have preferred to have my 8x32 Sightron on the rifle but it is out getting some trash cleaned out of it so I am using my 16X Leupold MKIV. No wads were used today and varying amounts of Clays was used as boosters along with either H-4198 or 3031. Let me start out by giving the following account of a straight charge (92 gr.) of 3031 and a 300 gr. SST………………………It would NOT ignite with two trys. Yes, I know the problem was the fact I am trying to push the flame from my 215 Fed. Mag. primers thru not only Hank’s ¼” long bushing but also a 3/8” long .026” bushing. This was done after some 20 shots were fired today. OK, so I started out fouling the barrel with some 300 gr. SST’s and a 6/65.8 duplex. Group size unimportant as I was doing some scope adjustments but still, the velocity averaged what I normally get from that load……2756 fps with a 16 fps ES. Moving to the 300 AccuMax to get a zero, I used 7/66 with 4198 and put two shots at .332” at 2780 fps with 2 fps ES. Then did a scope adjustment and zeroed the turrets. For the third group I again used the same load at 300 yrds. The av. velocity was about the same at 2781 with a 15 fps ES and a 1.765” group. In the fourth group I went with the 300 gr. AeroMax and the same 7/66 duplex. Here my best three in arrow was 1.7” with five in 2.485”. I attempted a sixth shot to see if I could get a good three in a row group but the cardboard tube on my scope broke loose and slipped up by the brake and crushed part of it. Hence, I discounted the 6th shot. The story with the cardboard tube on the scope is to prevent heat mirage which we get shooting from inside a warm building with the muzzle out in the cold. The tape that holds the tube broke from recoil. What is interesting to note here is the difference in POI? The scope elevation was NOT changed and yet the AeroMax impacted higher. For the fifth group I went up on the Clays to 8/66 and again shot a group with the AccuMax which came in at 2.1” but still a bit low on the bull. In group 6, I shot the same load and same scope setting with the AeroMax and it tightened up to .990” and again impacted higher than the AccuMax. Group #7 was a repeat of #6 with a click down on the scope but it still impacted higher and came in slightly higher at 1.2”. Also, most all of these duplex loads are showing fairly low ES’s. It was in this slot the straight charge of 3031 was tried! For the final group of the day I had prepared a duplex using 3031. It was 5 gr. of Clays and 80 gr. of 3031 under a 300 gr. SST and shot at 100 yards. The group was not all that bad, the ES was a little larger and the velocity at 2665. Next week I will go up to maybe 85 gr. of 3031 with the same 5 gr. of Clays. What this is showing me is that a small spark easily ignites the Clays with in turn fires up the 3031. Maybe I will find a combination that exceeds what I am getting with 4198?; and maybe not? Plus, the small bushing hole keeps a lot of pressure from getting to the module. I believe that is why my module was not destroyed when I bulged the barrel.
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Post by hillbill on Dec 7, 2016 21:14:31 GMT -5
very good report Richard!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 22:07:26 GMT -5
That was interesting. The tube rig is innovative. Also interested in more of your I3031 tests. Will you do some single loads of this in the future??
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Post by nyhunter on Dec 8, 2016 5:50:05 GMT -5
Great report Richard.
That's some nice setup you guys have, looks like you could live inside there. LOL!!!
Hope all is well.
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Post by schunter on Dec 8, 2016 8:05:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the report Richard. I am still a little surprised with the short flame path of Jeff's plug that the straight charge of 3031 didn't ignite even with the two bushings. Maybe it is just enough of reduction of flame like you mentioned since the 5 grs. of clays did ignite it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 8:27:45 GMT -5
It doesn't surprise me the 300 SST with a straight charge didn't ignite. The 300 SST is a harder bullet than the aeromax and probably doesn't fill up the rifling like the aeromax does. In my opinion you either need to full form the 300 SST or use a softer bullet to get start charges to ignite. Maybe a good seal with veggie wad might be the trick well who knows. I've tried single powder loads several times with 300 SST and have a few miss fires however this isn't apples to apples because I'm using 209 plug.
With both ignition systems how many people have had un explained miss fires with straight charges and 300 SST?
Thanks for the report Richard it always keeps us thinking.
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Post by deadeer on Dec 8, 2016 13:35:55 GMT -5
I have had misfires at the range with straight 4198 and loose fitting bullets, even with a veggie wad. When sized two hand seating pressure, I have never had one. So, a duplexing we will go when it comes to hunting. Case closed.
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Post by sa1000 on Dec 8, 2016 13:44:06 GMT -5
I'm pretty new to SML but I've been playing with a lot of bullets the since I got my gun together.I may have just been lucky or it may just be the way Jeff puts the guns together but I shoot some 185gr gold dots that pretty much fell down the barrel and my gun went off fine for a three shot group.That was with 74 gr imr4198 I setted them on the powder good but they were fall out the barrel loose.
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Post by Richard on Dec 8, 2016 17:18:04 GMT -5
sa1000...........Remember Jeff is using that very short 1/4" long plug which only has about 1/8 of it the bushing hole size since half has a much larger hole. Your powder charge is lying in a little well very close to where the flame comes out. That is why your getting ignition. Your probably also have a .035 or .040 bushing hole which allows more fire to come thru. My set up is different.....I have Jeff's worn out bushing then a 3/8" long bushing in front of his..............and it only has a .026" hole. But, with a little Clays or RD to catch that smaller spark, I get ignition as good. And, I am not complaining about Jeff's system, it is good but I happen to like my duplex loads and for that, I can use these smaller bushings (which are pure Carbide) which last for almost ever. When I shot Jeff's small bushing with my duplex loads, they were worn out after 50 shots. (the duplex loads play heck with bushings). Rambler, I will probably not shoot any more straight charges of 3031. I don't have a need to? While I believe single powder charges are good, I don't believe and have not seen concrete evidence they are any more accurate than duplex (at least the ones I shoot?) loads. I will be doing a little more duplexing with 3031 to see if it has any advantages over 4198...........Oh, and I just got a brandy new 8 lb. jug of H-4198 yesterday. Also, I just received my Sightron 8x32x56 scope back from their service department. It had a piece of trash inside that kept floating around and landing wherever it wanted. It was just about one month to get it back. When I opened the box, they had included a nice set of flip open lens protectors which I was not expecting.
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Post by itneverends22 on Dec 8, 2016 17:27:35 GMT -5
Richard, awesome report as usual, thanks..
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Post by elkman1310 on Dec 8, 2016 19:08:33 GMT -5
Richard I am surprised that your having problems igniting straight charges of IMR 3031. My breech plug with a 3/8 long bushing measures about 1.200 for the flame path to get thought the .030 hole in the bushing. granted I am using a Fed 209A primer but all the way up to 97 grs my ignition has been instant. My complaint was I find the Hornady 300gr FTX or SST was harder to seat even though I had them sized correctly.
The 300gr FTX has a lot more bearing surface than a Pittman or a Parker. The Pittman's when down the barrel much better than the 300gr FTX because they have a shorter bearing surface. I just used the 300grFTX for testing because of the cost. The Hornday bullets have a thin jacket and do not require a duplex load to make them engage the rifling.
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Post by doug136 on Dec 8, 2016 19:37:49 GMT -5
Richard as always love your reports and always learn something from you . I love your cardboard tube idea . I have been shooting out of my barn this week . It's heated and the heat waves are terrible ! I guess I'll be taping some sort of a tube on my scope now . I think some of you guys have forgotten more than I know ! Thanks Richard.
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Post by sa1000 on Dec 8, 2016 19:54:02 GMT -5
I was wondering why you had that bushing set up Richard.I always learn something from your posts.I've got some 325gr Accumaxs sized up and some 3031 to shoot Saturday.
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Post by Richard on Dec 8, 2016 22:12:17 GMT -5
Elkman...............Not to worry? I have my gun and loads under control. I am hoping you can attend the next challenge so I can give you some pointers on shooting an how well duplex loads work!
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Post by Kyle on Dec 8, 2016 22:22:20 GMT -5
The bookies in Vegas are starting to make odds for the showdown in Kentucky.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2016 11:00:00 GMT -5
FWI: Just got off the phone with Hornady tech. support. They don't have a defined jacket thickness chart available to the general public but the guy on the phone gave me some generalized specs: 250FTX = .030 upper bearing surface and .040 lower. 300SST same as 250FTX. 325FTX .458 Socom is .030 thru out bearing surface.
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Post by Kyle on Dec 9, 2016 12:56:44 GMT -5
FWI: Just got off the phone with Hornady tech. support. They don't have a defined jacket thickness chart available to the general public but the guy on the phone gave me some generalized specs: 250FTX = .030 upper bearing surface and .040 lower. 300SST same as 250FTX. 325FTX .458 Socom is .030 thru out bearing surface. Good info.
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Post by elkman1310 on Dec 9, 2016 18:22:44 GMT -5
Well I would like to be able to go to the KY challenge. One thing is for certain I will not be shooting duplex loads. That is your preferred method of shooting it is not mine and I will never recommend anyone using a duplex load for any reason. IMO!
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Post by Richard on Dec 9, 2016 20:57:09 GMT -5
Not saying one is better than the other, just saying what has worked for me. No matter what discipline in shooting or what sport, hobby etc. there will always be differences of opinion. Life would be boring if we all did the same thing.
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