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Post by kskaggs on Nov 20, 2016 20:09:28 GMT -5
Ok this may take a bit but I had Jeff do a plug on a bergara barrel for a buddy of mine with the HIS on an encore. We got a pretty good rain and when he gets back to camp we tried to fire it and the only thing that happened was poof no bang so we popped a couple more primers thru it and same result. So I said we are gonna have to break the gin down and pull the plug powder must be wet now it is dark so I turn the gun around and the 275 accumax is sticking half way out of the barrel wtf?? Now I have been messing with these guns for a long time so I don't consider my self a rookie. I take the gun apart and there is now wet powder or powder period. I first thought he didn't put powder in but that's not possible because his ramrod would of bottomed out. So what happened to the powder or what happened period I cannot figure it out. Cleaned everything and of course it went bang just like it should and the next day he killed a 149 with it but I am stumped!!
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Post by Richard on Nov 20, 2016 20:16:42 GMT -5
You did not say whether you re-seated the bullet after each primer you fired? "and there is now wet powder or powder period." Not following this statement? There is NO wet powder? or POWDER PERIOD?
Sounds like there was no powder. The force of the primer will move a bullet down the barrel particularly if it was smooth sized and a more loose type fit?
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Post by Kyle on Nov 20, 2016 20:37:08 GMT -5
My guess is no powder or acid rain.😬
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Post by kskaggs on Nov 20, 2016 21:57:40 GMT -5
Smooth form loose fit I did not reseat bullet I just don't know how he could of not noticed no powder because his ramrod would of bottomed out. I first thought no powder as well. I guess my main question is would the primer burn enough of the wet powder to get rid of it. I don't think so. That's why I thought no powder.
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Post by kskaggs on Nov 20, 2016 21:59:17 GMT -5
Sorry Richard I forgot to add there was no wet powder when I took it apart
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Post by Hank on Nov 21, 2016 7:30:05 GMT -5
I'm guessing he didn't put in the powder. I can't see how it would have all burned up and not shoot the bullet out of the barrel.. Good thing you guys tried shooting it that night or he would have been up the creek without the paddle when that nice 149 buck stepped out..
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Post by kskaggs on Nov 21, 2016 8:48:37 GMT -5
It would have been good news for you Jeff because he's a hot head and he would of thrown the gun at him and had to build a new one!! My guess was no powder as well... Kevin
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Post by nyhunter on Nov 21, 2016 21:16:42 GMT -5
Sounds like no powder. On another note he should make sure that he has a witness mark on his ramrod. If he had a witness mark and had checked he would of realized that something was wrong and worst yet if he had Double loaded it then there would have been real trouble Another member just spent 6 hours in surgery over a double load and that was with a bolt action, could have been far worse with the smaller barrel diameter Encore conversions. !!! hanksmessageboard.freeforums.net/thread/1633/matter-time |
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Post by kskaggs on Nov 22, 2016 6:55:10 GMT -5
He has a witness mark. We took a cut to length tc power rod and custom made it and his witness mark is actually on the flat part of the rod just below the handle so if he didn't put powder in the ramrod would of bottomed out. The hole deal just doesn't make any sense. I have beat it in his head about what would happen if he double charges it as well. I thought of another scenario the accumax was sticking half way out of the end of the barrel so I just grabbed a hold of it with some pliers and pulled it out maybe the powder fell out when I lowered the gun but that still doesn't explain how the accumax got to the end of the barrel. Oh well I guess I will never know!!
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Post by nyhunter on Nov 22, 2016 8:48:08 GMT -5
He has a witness mark. We took a cut to length tc power rod and custom made it and his witness mark is actually on the flat part of the rod just below the handle so if he didn't put powder in the ramrod would of bottomed out. The hole deal just doesn't make any sense. I have beat it in his head about what would happen if he double charges it as well. I thought of another scenario the accumax was sticking half way out of the end of the barrel so I just grabbed a hold of it with some pliers and pulled it out maybe the powder fell out when I lowered the gun but that still doesn't explain how the accumax got to the end of the barrel. Oh well I guess I will never know!! Are the bullets sized tight, is it possible he pushed it to the approximate witness mark area and though he had loaded it properly. Also when you cleaned the barrel afterwards was there any type residue from wet powder. As Richard indicated the bullet would have been moved by the force of the several primers you fired. If anything at least we will all pay more attention to our equipment. Best of luck this season. |
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Post by kskaggs on Nov 23, 2016 8:39:22 GMT -5
No bullets were loose one hand easy loading that's what shot best and no there wasn't any powder residue other than normal fouled barrel powder.
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Post by hillbill on Nov 23, 2016 10:12:29 GMT -5
If powder fails to ignite the bullet will get pushed down the barrel, not saying this is what happened but I have witnessed it many times. i have had poofs push bullets 30 yards.the bullet fit has to be pretty loose to do so though.
If it failed to ignite there would be plenty of powder left in the barrel that would need to get blown out, I believe you would have noticed some extra powder?
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Post by schunter on Nov 23, 2016 11:08:53 GMT -5
Sounds like he forgot the powder and pushed the bullet down to the witness mark on the ramrod and thought he was good to go.
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Post by kskaggs on Nov 23, 2016 11:42:05 GMT -5
that's pretty much the conclusion I have come to as well!!!
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