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Post by Hank on Nov 16, 2016 20:03:42 GMT -5
Well guys, we all new it was only a matter of time before we had a blow up... it can and will happen if we don't pay close attention to what we are doing at the range. This gun was not built by me but it was built using my breech plug and lrmp modules.. the rifle was built using a Defiance action and a Brux barrel in a Sendaro contour.. The breech end was 1.200 for five inches and is safe as long as we don't double load.. This guy knows for a fact that he doubled loaded the gun and only blames himself for the miss-hap. The stock was a McMillan and you can see it was completely blown into pieces.. the scope was a Nightforce NSX and it blew the front end completely off.. the barrel split into several pieces and believe it or not the action and breechplug is un harmed. This guy has already ordered another Brux barrel and will be building himself a new ML very soon. This guy was very lucky.. That he is not dead.. He only had to undergo 6 hours of surgery to repair his had.. he is expected to make a full recovery.. So as a reminder to everyone..... please pay attention to what you are doing at the range.. use your witness mark and don't end up like this guy.. No names were mentioned in this post but the person did ask me to write this up and he hopes that we can all learn from his mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 20:14:40 GMT -5
I'm glad nothing more serious happened to this guy. Seems to be a rash of this stuff going around.
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Post by dp on Nov 16, 2016 20:51:34 GMT -5
Is this guy from NC? I heard about a muzzloader blowing up recently.
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Post by 12ptdroptine on Nov 16, 2016 22:27:49 GMT -5
Makes me feel sick to my stomach. It can happen to all of us. I try to build in a safety factor with my fat barrels. But there is ALWAYS that chance of a blowup. There is another on another board also. And everybody was fortunate to walk away unharmed. Sorry for the misfortune.and glad at.least he will make a full physical recovery. But I dont know if I could ever make a full mental recovery. Drop
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 22:39:17 GMT -5
This isnt the first or last this will happen its just something we should strive to avoid in the future, even if you check your barrel two times every shot....Hope the shooter recovers quickly....sorry to hear about this....
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Post by schunter on Nov 17, 2016 8:18:49 GMT -5
At least it was only a hand. Glad it was not worse! The gun can be replaced.
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Post by elkman1310 on Nov 17, 2016 8:41:17 GMT -5
Hank thanks for posting this. I am really glad the guy is going to be alright in time. This by far my biggest fear when I build a muzzleloader for someone. You can do everything right as far as workmanship on then gun and know it is 100% safe with the recommended single charge loads we have been using for years but when it comes to a double load all bets are off.
I made a 14 page manual I give my customers and I stress just how important it is when loading these guns not to force anything and always check your witness mark on the ramrod. If the witness mark does not line up with the end of the muzzle brake you did something wrong and you better find out what it is before you shoot it. Maybe I should include these graphic pictures in my manual to stress that point.
Thanks again for posting this!
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Post by nyhunter on Nov 17, 2016 9:01:51 GMT -5
Thank god he didn't lose his hand, from the pictures it looks like it could have been severely worse.
Wishing him a speedy recovery.
First Richard and now this, a wake-up call to all of us to use extreme caution to ensure we pay close attention at all times !!!!!!!!!!!!!.
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 17, 2016 12:17:16 GMT -5
When first opening this thread, I thought Jeff was talking about a very similar event: dougsmessageboards.proboards.com/thread/19364/witness-mark-future?page=1&scrollTo=203630But then, that guy didn't have his hand on the forearm and was very lucky to have no harm come to him. I do not recall where I got my range rod which has a folding T-handle (T/C?) and numbered increments just below the handle so that one can see by the number if he is double loaded or not. But so far, my biggest mistake was not loading the powder. 'Tis a sinking feeling when the T-handle smacks the end of the barrel when that happens! At any rate, paying attention to the numbered increments with such range rod would also keep many an accident from happening with no need to constantly wrap a piece of tape around range rods.
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Post by Hank on Nov 17, 2016 13:28:37 GMT -5
Hank thanks for posting this. I am really glad the guy is going to be alright in time. This by far my biggest fear when I build a muzzleloader for someone. You can do everything right as far as workmanship on then gun and know it is 100% safe with the recommended single charge loads we have been using for years but when it comes to a double load all bets are off. I made a 14 page manual I give my customers and I stress just how important it is when loading these guns not to force anything and always check your witness mark on the ramrod. If the witness mark does not line up with the end of the muzzle brake you did something wrong and you better find out what it is before you shoot it. Maybe I should include these graphic pictures in my manual to stress that point. Thanks again for posting this! That's a good idea for the manual.... Is there anyway I could get a copy of it and maybe use if myself for my customers... I could modify it as needed.... We don't want anyone getting hurt and if a manual will prevent just one accident then it would be worth it...
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Post by Richard on Nov 17, 2016 13:57:38 GMT -5
As they say..............: Fece' Occurs! You have to be on your "A" game all the time. Think, Think, Think! I understand that when hunting or tuning for hunting that it is typical to use your hand to support the stock. That being said, just about 100% of all my shots come from the lead sled and the way mine is set up, I never use my left hand for any support. My left hand controls my windage and elevation on the rear post and my right hand controls the trigger. Maybe that translates to a safety factor for me if I F U! Glad the gent is going to be OK. Another safety factor is the 1.250 diameter barrel in the chamber area.
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Post by buckstuds on Nov 17, 2016 15:03:06 GMT -5
Why does that gun have a magazine
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Post by Hank on Nov 17, 2016 15:44:40 GMT -5
Why does that gun have a magazine I asked the same question.. the rifle was meant to be a switch barrel gun and he just left the magazine in place to catch the primer modules if he fumbled one of them.
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Post by elkman1310 on Nov 17, 2016 17:32:50 GMT -5
Hey Jeff I can send you a manual. But mine only covers using 209 primers. But you can use the manual as a template for your ignition system. It covers every thing from A to Z. If we can help save just one person from a injury it will be worth it. I will try to get a copy out tomorrow.
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Post by Yankee Bill on Nov 17, 2016 18:37:45 GMT -5
Wow, glad to see he's not missing a hand, or worse. I always have a piece of masking tape on my stock with "Loaded" or "Unloaded" written on it when the gun is stored. Of course, this is of no help when distracted at the range.
Glad this scenario didn't turn out worse.
YB
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Post by dennis on Nov 17, 2016 20:39:43 GMT -5
Glad this person is going to recover from this mishap.This is why I started going to the range at daybreak to avoid distractions.I have double loaded myself but was much more fortunate and only ruined/bulged a barrel.Get well to whoever this is.
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Post by Richard on Nov 17, 2016 21:27:51 GMT -5
Here again as can be seen....................It was the barrel that blew up! Not the action or the breech plug being blown out. I was fortunate I had plenty of steel over the point my barrel bulged If it was 1.2".........who knows? And those skinny ass break op barrels..............NOT for me! My next barrel will be like droptine's ..........1.250 for 8".
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Post by Kyle on Nov 17, 2016 22:06:37 GMT -5
Glad he is going to be ok. It definitely could have been much worse. We learn from our own mistakes and the mistakes of others. Everyone be careful. It can happen to us all too easily.
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Post by elkman1310 on Nov 18, 2016 7:58:05 GMT -5
This is why Tom Post developed pressure relief plugs for his muzzleloader. I wish I knew how he made them. I am seriously thinking about taking a road trip and go visit Tom and see if he is willing to share that knowledge with other muzzleloader builders. Tom only lives about 3 hours from my home.
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Post by nyhunter on Nov 18, 2016 8:11:34 GMT -5
Here again as can be seen....................It was the barrel that blew up! Not the action or the breech plug being blown out. I was fortunate I had plenty of steel over the point my barrel bulged If it was 1.2".........who knows? And those skinny ass break op barrels..............NOT for me! My next barrel will be like droptine's ..........1.250 for 8". Yes Richard I though the same things. I don't even want to imagine what would happen with my TC Encore conversion !!!!!
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