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Post by Richard on Nov 10, 2016 21:04:30 GMT -5
No, its not that bad! The scope is really great and I love it.
Monday at the range when I put the rifle on the sled and looked thru it, there was a "thingy" sitting down on the bottom hash mark? On the 100 yard target it projected to about 2" x 1/2". At first thought it might have been a spec on the exterior lens but that proved wrong. After the first shot it moved to someplace near the horizontal hash marks, then in another spot and then disappeared altogether and reappeared? This went on for the 22 shots I fired.
So, I called Sightron and actually got a real voice with NO prompts? (amazing) The guy I talked to listened to my problem and said: No problem as the scope is guaranteed. I advised him the scope was brand new as I only had it about three weeks. I then asked if the company would pay my shipping the scope to them. Upon checking with someone, he said yes and they subsequently e-mailed me a UPS shipping label. "Can't beat that with a stick!"
If the particle was in an obscure corner of the scope I would not have bothered but on one shot it almost covered the center dot................which would be disastrous at the CHALLENGE or on a long range shot at a booner!
So off it goes tomorrow...........he indicate 2 to 4 weeks turnaround.
Very friendly outfit to deal with and this stuff does happen. I have a Leupold MK4 that I had a reticle change done and it has a spec on it but since it is off to the side and has not moved, I left it alone.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 21:16:08 GMT -5
How many total shots did you have with it...? Sounds like great CS...
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Post by Richard on Nov 10, 2016 21:35:06 GMT -5
Probably around 50 or so Allen? It has been to the range the past three weeks and I know how many modules I have reloaded. This stuff happens? As long as CS is good, I can live with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2016 22:30:59 GMT -5
It road out the dc and still tracked well...?,just a floating flake being the only issue....Pretty durable scope imo...
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Post by hillbill on Nov 11, 2016 8:17:26 GMT -5
They were great to deal with on my issue, of course no issue would have been even better but we will see how they hold up to the abuse and keep everyone informed.
Great service on a good product goes a long way, poor service on a great product still sucks
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Post by hillbill on Nov 11, 2016 8:21:05 GMT -5
They were great to deal with on my issue, of course no issue would have been even better but we will see how they hold up to the abuse and keep everyone informed.
Great service on a good product goes a long way, poor service on a great product still sucks
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Post by elkman1310 on Nov 15, 2016 11:19:25 GMT -5
Richard that comes from shooting off a sled. Man up and take some recoil so the scope doesn't have to. Hey Sightron has a good warranty and it only takes a very tiny spec of dirt to look bigger than what it really is. I do have a new Sig Sauer 3x15x52 scope coming with the ill. reticle this time. I hope to do a review on it and see how well they hold up to recoil. Sig has a life time transferrable warranty which is nice to have. We will see how well it holds up to a muzzleloader!
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Post by Richard on Nov 15, 2016 17:12:20 GMT -5
BS!..............My rifle and sled recoil just like my heavy 1K rifle..........AS one unit! No issues with me NF with a couple of thousand rounds thru it?
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Post by doug136 on Nov 16, 2016 12:42:11 GMT -5
Lol I knew Richard would come up for air on that comment !
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 16, 2016 18:36:54 GMT -5
Richard that comes from shooting off a sled. Man up and take some recoil so the scope doesn't have to. Would SOMEONE please explain the real SCIENCE behind this thought? How can something which stops recoil be the culprit in ruining a scope?? It would seem to me that the scope actually experiences LESS recoil when recoil is stopped. Kinetic energy to the scope has to be more with no sled than with a sled. I cannot afford high-end scopes. Most of mine are Bushnell 3200 and 4200. My most expensive scope is a Viper Vortex. I've used a Zero-Kick shooting rest for over ten years with no scope failures. (KNOCK ON WOOD) I do put money into good, solid one-piece bases and use Burris Signature rings. |
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Post by darrel on Nov 16, 2016 20:39:46 GMT -5
I think the science is somewhat like global warming. You believe it or not. I read about Chicken Little and the sky falling 65 years ago and have had a problem believing stuff since. My opinion is that whether you control recoil by gun weight, gas expulsion (brake), or lead sled, the scope doesn't know the difference. My lead sled recoils at least 3 inches every shot and if the scope goes bad I'll send it in for repair
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2016 21:55:23 GMT -5
Richard that comes from shooting off a sled. Man up and take some recoil so the scope doesn't have to. Would SOMEONE please explain the real SCIENCE behind this thought? How can something which stops recoil be the culprit in ruining a scope?? It would seem to me that the scope actually experiences LESS recoil when recoil is stopped. Kinetic energy to the scope has to be more with no sled than with a sled. I cannot afford high-end scopes. Most of mine are Bushnell 3200 and 4200. My most expensive scope is a Viper Vortex. I've used a Zero-Kick shooting rest for over ten years with no scope failures. (KNOCK ON WOOD) I do put money into good, solid one-piece bases and use Burris Signature rings. Newton's third law. If the gun goes bang and creates a recoil from the powder and bullet being forced out the barrel and then gun is forced to stop abruptly, doesn't it make sense that if something is bolted on top of the barrel it's gonna want to keep going backwards time and again everytime the gun is fired?? I like free recoil....JMO. Steve |
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 17, 2016 0:35:09 GMT -5
"If the gun goes bang and creates a recoil from the powder and bullet being forced out the barrel and then gun is forced to stop abruptly, doesn't it make sense that if something is bolted on top of the barrel it's gonna want to keep going backwards time and again everytime the gun is fired??"
If the gun can't move, how can it stop abruptly?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 8:28:55 GMT -5
"If the gun goes bang and creates a recoil from the powder and bullet being forced out the barrel and then gun is forced to stop abruptly, doesn't it make sense that if something is bolted on top of the barrel it's gonna want to keep going backwards time and again everytime the gun is fired??" If the gun can't move, how can it stop abruptly? Let me rephrase, the gun would want to move, there would be forces wanting it to move. Something has gotta give....capisce???  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 9:23:07 GMT -5
The part that kills is the rate of acceleration and rate of deceleration. That is why automotive air bags were invented, to slow the rate of deceleration. Your shoulder is the air bag. In a lead sled, the rifle still moves due to the leather end strap and basic rest design. It also has mass that holds it in place on the bench with rubber feet and some use a claw that attaches to the aft end of the bench. Richard's sled feet sit in slots cut into a piece of plywood that are greased to allow the sled to recoil as a unit. This lessens the lead sled effect on the scope but does not eliminate it. The muzzle brake slows the rate of acceleration by using exhaust gas pressures to slam into walls inside the brake which the direct the Gasses out the sides. So then you have the pressure pushing the gun rearward and pressure hitting the brake walls that push the gun forward, thus nullifying eachother to a point. By slowing the rate of acceleration, the overall velocity is lowered which delivers less felt recoil to the shooter. IE, hitting a wall at 25 mph is a lot softer that at 50mph. Internal stock spring or hydraulic recoil reducers and butt stock pads are more more passive, in that they oppose forces after they are produced. Muzzle brakes are active, in that they use the exhaust pressures, the actual recoil producer, against itself. A muzzle brake is a very ingenious device. JMO
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Post by dannoboone on Nov 17, 2016 12:28:47 GMT -5
If my scopes start breaking like glass windows during a riot, I'll cease using my system. Until then, I'll save my shoulder without the blast of a MB. Sorry Richard for getting your OP off course. Hope you get your scope back and it lasts you a lifetime of sled use.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 12:59:35 GMT -5
I'd be will to bet that the issue with Richard's Sightron was atypical and he should be up and running in no time without issue.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2016 13:49:23 GMT -5
I'd be will to bet that the issue with Richard's Sightron was atypical and he should be up and running in no time without issue. I think so too. |
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Post by doug136 on Nov 17, 2016 14:16:19 GMT -5
Dannobone, just curious do you do much shooting or just use lead sled to sight in and check zero ?
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