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Post by ded on Nov 1, 2016 9:35:39 GMT -5
In Ohio the muzzleloading rifle must be .38 caliber or larger. You could use a patch or sabot with a smaller diameter in it but the bore must be .38. The risk I see of using something else, lets say you get that huge whitetail and you are checked. If using a 25-06 or a .358 one could lose the deer and the undersized rifle etc. Risky IMO. Also in Ohio pistol cartrides must be .357 or larger. This is correct and a .358 ml is NOT legal in Ohio.
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Post by dp on Nov 1, 2016 9:37:22 GMT -5
At 52 grains of 3031 I'm getting decent speeds in the 2650 range. If somebody with quickloads was willing to run it, what would would say 55 grains of 3031 under a 200 grain bullet create pressure wise?
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Post by speedrackin on Nov 1, 2016 10:38:38 GMT -5
no sabots full form sized and HIS Ignition
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Post by jims on Nov 1, 2016 12:45:13 GMT -5
The fines in Ohio for improperly taken large bucks have been $12,000 to $20,000 if a deer scores enough. You lose the deer, firearm, fine, hunting rights etc. Risky business.
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.358 SML
Nov 1, 2016 13:26:10 GMT -5
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Post by linebaugh on Nov 1, 2016 13:26:10 GMT -5
Probably not the best post I have read on here and would tend to agree with Jims. When 38, 40, 44, 45 are interpreted in court you will very likely not be able to convince anyone that 38 means .357 or 44 means .429. On top of this speaking of using whatever you want and not getting checked just eeks of bad decisions and poor advice. If you are going to go that far just tape a ramrod on your favorite CF rifle and go for it.
As to the original post. I would doubt you could safely hit 3000fps with a .389 BC bullet out of a handi rifle. Since a .357 mag/max can't do that in a rifle with any bullet (to my knowledge) it seems quite unlikely it will work out. If my memory is correct a friend of mine was shooting 158-160gr bullets out of a 35whelen just over 3000 fps. So if you run a powder chamber, shoot lower BC light bullets and don't mind running 50K+ pressures you might get there.
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Post by dp on Nov 1, 2016 14:42:20 GMT -5
For the record, I was not condoning or supporting doing anything illegal in my posts. I also agree that it will be hard to get to 3000 fps using the 200 grain higher BC bullets and stay around the 50k psi mark.
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Post by speedrackin on Nov 1, 2016 17:14:04 GMT -5
Neither was i hornady book shows a 180 grn interlock at approx 2800 fps with 57 grn of 3031 out of an 18.5 in barrel and a 200 grn sp with 60 grn approximately 2800 with a 25.5 barrel close enough ?
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Post by Hank on Nov 1, 2016 18:31:47 GMT -5
Guys... remember when we start talking about the laws and what's right and wrong we all have a different prospective as to what is right and or wrong, so be careful as to what you say in your post.. If it's the written law we all need to follow it... if we don't and get caught then we will pay the price.... I don't like driving the speed limit and most of the time I will creep over it just a little... if I get pulled over I'll still get the ticket so it's a chance I'll take,,, but I don't call the cops before I head out for Kentucky Lake and tell them I'm on my way and I'll be running 80 mph,,, catch me if you can.... We all bend the laws some and I really think that's ok some times.. just depends on what law you're bending and how will the outcome be if you are caught.. Be wise and make the right choices,,, if your state requires a 38 caliber then a 38 caliber you should have if you are chose to hunt in that state.. it ain't worth loosing your hunting rights over.. Also I will agree with the guys about the .358 is not a 38 caliber,, it is a 35.8 caliber .022 shy of the legal limit.. so make the right choice and just shoot a .40 caliber... Kyles bullets will be out for next season in 40 caliber and I'll have the barrels ready to go also..
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.358 SML
Nov 1, 2016 18:58:07 GMT -5
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Post by doug136 on Nov 1, 2016 18:58:07 GMT -5
Your right , my bad
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Post by dennis on Nov 2, 2016 5:44:21 GMT -5
Guys... remember when we start talking about the laws and what's right and wrong we all have a different prospective as to what is right and or wrong, so be careful as to what you say in your post.. If it's the written law we all need to follow it... if we don't and get caught then we will pay the price.... I don't like driving the speed limit and most of the time I will creep over it just a little... if I get pulled over I'll still get the ticket so it's a chance I'll take,,, but I don't call the cops before I head out for Kentucky Lake and tell them I'm on my way and I'll be running 80 mph,,, catch me if you can.... We all bend the laws some and I really think that's ok some times.. just depends on what law you're bending and how will the outcome be if you are caught.. Be wise and make the right choices,,, if your state requires a 38 caliber then a 38 caliber you should have if you are chose to hunt in that state.. it ain't worth loosing your hunting rights over.. Also I will agree with the guys about the .358 is not a 38 caliber,, it is a 35.8 caliber .022 shy of the legal limit.. so make the right choice and just shoot a .40 caliber... Kyles bullets will be out for next season in 40 caliber and I'll have the barrels ready to go also.. Thanks for this post Jeff,it made me research the 38cal rifles bore diameters and they are all over the place in size ,but all are larger than .358 sooooo,sorry for putting bad information on the board.There is information about barrel liners for old blackpowder rifles at track of the wolf where I found several old 38cals to compare with and should have researched or had prior knowledge.I don't want to be a know it all,but I should know the facts before posting something.
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Post by buckstuds on Nov 2, 2016 7:04:11 GMT -5
There will be a write up out later today on a apex in 358 on the other board.
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Post by dp on Nov 2, 2016 8:25:35 GMT -5
There will be a write up out later today on a apex in 358 on the other board. Most likely and I suspect his will shoot every bit as good and probably better than mine being he is a much better trigger man than me. I dropped my die off for him to size some bullets so hopefully the range results are great.
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Post by speedrackin on Nov 5, 2016 6:33:39 GMT -5
Probably not the best post I have read on here and would tend to agree with Jims. When 38, 40, 44, 45 are interpreted in court you will very likely not be able to convince anyone that 38 means .357 or 44 means .429. On top of this speaking of using whatever you want and not getting checked just eeks of bad decisions and poor advice. If you are going to go that far just tape a ramrod on your favorite CF rifle and go for it. As to the original post. I would doubt you could safely hit 3000fps with a .389 BC bullet out of a handi rifle. Since a .357 mag/max can't do that in a rifle with any bullet (to my knowledge) it seems quite unlikely it will work out. If my memory is correct a friend of mine was shooting 158-160gr bullets out of a 35whelen just over 3000 fps. So if you run a powder chamber, shoot lower BC light bullets and don't mind running 50K+ pressures you might get there. Linebaugh , I cant find in any of my books a 158 or 160 gr bullet for a .358 lowest i can find is 180 so using that small of a bullet and pushin the limits mite be pushin it i dont plan on pushin it with something that is not recorded in the manuals reloading manuals im told are the rule of thumb in this project ...... a .358 could make a nice light recoil varmint SML .
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Post by dp on Nov 5, 2016 7:17:26 GMT -5
I'm sitting in the stand with my 358 now waiting on a buck
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Post by speedrackin on Nov 5, 2016 7:48:41 GMT -5
our gun season doesn't open till the 19th ...southern zone .....will i big game hunt with it ill definitely shoot chucks and yotes ... not sure gotta get it done first and it has to be accurate ..... its more the challenge can i make this work . DP if u look in the hornady book and not just at 35 whelen look at all the .358 reloading cartridges u will find from 190 to 250 grains with an assortment of powders 4198 and 3031 are in there ...... with the chamber and throat gone i believe and some one correct please all these loads are applicable ? one thing that changes from cartridge to cartridge is the amounts of powder ( naturally) and the test barrels twist . So depending on what ur lookin for you should be able to make it accurate and have decent velocities.......and be safe . Just my thought im definitely no authority
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Post by dp on Nov 5, 2016 8:08:33 GMT -5
Mine is loaded with 52 grains of 3031 behind a 200 grain barnes ttsx as it sits across the shooting rail.
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Post by speedrackin on Nov 5, 2016 8:14:21 GMT -5
those barnes are sold copper ? ...tough to size? and what do they finish out at ?
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Post by dp on Nov 5, 2016 8:16:38 GMT -5
Solid copper, not to bad to push through with my extended press handle. Haven't measured them with calipers but my die is set .015 tight from 0.
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Post by speedrackin on Nov 5, 2016 8:27:16 GMT -5
Ill pm you
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Post by dp on Nov 5, 2016 8:40:48 GMT -5
Just to be clear I am hunting in North Carolina and the 358 is legal.
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