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Post by ourway77 on Oct 30, 2016 7:23:42 GMT -5
I want to try some of the Pittman 275 grain bullets I don't have a center fire action gun yet so I have to settle for my Remington 700ML 45 caliber Brux barrel 25" for this year What would be a good starting load and a maximum load for my rifle using 4198 powder would I need a wad or just shoot bare bullets only have 209-A federal primers Any help greatly appreciated Lou
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 30, 2016 7:38:15 GMT -5
I take it you have a Rem 700 M/L action with a Arrowhead breech plug. As long as your primers seal up good and they don't stick. You are really not handicapped by using a 209 system. Do you have a sizing die which you will need. I have posted many times that 70-73grs of IMR 4198 with a heavy wool wad has proven to produce outstanding (Repeatable results) in my rifles. Some barrels will shoot without a wad most like a wad over the powder charge for better ignition.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 7:39:30 GMT -5
With Parker 275 be's my best accuracy was with 72gns h4198 with a veggie wad...68gns would be a good starting load imo.... What plug do you have in the gun..?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 8:59:25 GMT -5
IMO, It is foolish to take a 209 gun hunting in cold weather using straight 4198 without a duplex. A .040 bushing will help though.
The AccuMax will shoot better with a duplex when using a 209 primer. Follow Richard's threads for further proof
If I was dead set on using a single charge, I would use Reloder 7. I would start around 74 grains.
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Post by gchuckie on Oct 30, 2016 9:26:39 GMT -5
IMO, It is foolish to take a 209 gun hunting in cold weather using straight 4198 without a duplex. A .040 bushing will help though. The AccuMax will shoot better with a duplex when using a 209 primer. Follow Richard's threads for further proof If I was dead set on using a single charge, I would use Reloder 7. I would start around 74 grains. I just picked up one of these guns for my son, it's a Remington muzzloader, what would you consider to cold?
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 30, 2016 10:09:10 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty foolish statement to say you can't get good ignition in cold weather with a Federal 209A primer or a CCI mag primer. I have left guns out in -10Deg over night with straight powder chargers of IMR 4198 and have never had any problems with ignition. And I have never had to resort to duplexing a load to achieve accuracy if you have to do that you have something wrong. This idea of duplexing powder charges is for the birds. It is a flat out dangerous practice. No powder company would ever approve of its a bad practice and should not be promoted on this board.
If your gun has ignition problems the problem is in the design of the breech plug nothing else. And 74grs of reloader 7 is way to hot of a load to recommend.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 10:20:50 GMT -5
I want to try some of the Pittman 275 grain bullets I don't have a center fire action gun yet so I have to settle for my Remington 700ML 45 caliber Brux barrel 25" for this year What would be a good starting load and a maximum load for my rifle using 4198 powder would I need a wad or just shoot bare bullets only have 209-A federal primers Any help greatly appreciated Lou What is the contour of your barrel?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 11:26:46 GMT -5
I think that's a pretty foolish statement to say you can't get good ignition in cold weather with a Federal 209A primer or a CCI mag primer. I have left guns out in -10Deg over night with straight powder chargers of IMR 4198 and have never had any problems with ignition. And I have never had to resort to duplexing a load to achieve accuracy if you have to do that you have something wrong. This idea of duplexing powder charges is for the birds. It is a flat out dangerous practice. No powder company would ever approve of its a bad practice and should not be promoted on this board. If your gun has ignition problems the problem is in the design of the breech plug nothing else. And 74grs of reloader 7 is way to hot of a load to recommend. There have been several people that I know of who swore by 4198 and 209 primers but ended up being burned by a ftf at a most inopportune moment. To each his own. I will bow out of this discussion.
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Post by Kyle on Oct 30, 2016 11:47:44 GMT -5
Be respectful with your wording and comments men.
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Post by ourway77 on Oct 30, 2016 13:07:24 GMT -5
It's a sendero configuration 25" long I have a swing lock smooth die, I have the arrow head plug in my Rem 700ML/Brux I got everything from Luke
Modified Sendero 1.200" X 5", ST .950" @ 8.5", ST .835" @ 25"
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Post by doug136 on Oct 30, 2016 13:20:23 GMT -5
I'm not a duplex guy but it does work and has been around a long time . I have been researching 45/70 loads . They use to duplex black powder ! One statement that kind of threw me is that Reloader 7 is better than 4198 in the cold ? I didn't realize that ,I thought Reloader 7 was a slower burning powder? I think a excellent powder as a single with moderate velocities is N110 . I think N110 would be a great choice in a break action with a short barrel. I have used N110 with light loads for my girls for several years . At times in extreme temperatures with no ignition problems . But if you want speed then 4198 is the go to powder .
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Post by doug136 on Oct 30, 2016 13:35:35 GMT -5
Ourway77 most guys use a wad with smokless powder and the Accumax bullet .Expecially for hunting they think the wad helps with ignition.( I personally found better accuracy without a wad and with no ignition problems ) 70 grains of 4198 would be a good starting point with a 275 grain bullet . Also most guys get their best accuracy with just a snug fit accumax . (Not tight just sung )Please chime in fellows if I'm steering Ourway77 in the wrong direction .
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Post by nexttime on Oct 30, 2016 14:52:49 GMT -5
I found 70 grains of 4198 to be the sweet spot in my Rem/ml Pacnor with savage breech plug .030 bushing when using 275 Accumax. Haven't tested in cold weather. Shot lots of 4198 on cold weather using sabots in the same rifle without fail.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 15:51:53 GMT -5
It's a sendero configuration 25" long I have a swing lock smooth die, I have the arrow head plug in my Rem 700ML/Brux I got everything from Luke Modified Sendero 1.200" X 5", ST .950" @ 8.5", ST .835" @ 25" That's the same contour I have, only my barrel is an inch longer. Been shooting 74gr of I4198 and 300gr bullets with no issues. I have a Harrel's brake. You should have alot of options.
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Post by dennis on Oct 30, 2016 18:08:12 GMT -5
I believe when you work your loads up,the upper limit will probably be evident by your groups opening up.That's how I am able to determine upper limits with sabot-less loads in my rifles.
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Post by Richard on Oct 30, 2016 18:49:35 GMT -5
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Post by doug136 on Oct 30, 2016 18:55:01 GMT -5
No doubt Richard , you have proven yourself over and over ! It's kinda what they are doing with a Flintlock . It's not for me because I don't want to mess with it but it definitley works !
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 19:57:56 GMT -5
Duplexes not only are for good ignition ,they were developed to be temp insensitive,meaning poi being consisstent through a large temp range....Savage Shooter came up with the 10/50 4759/h4198 and it worked well and grew into the 10/60 sabotless 275 gn bullet ....which works well in a 209 gun....Duplexes work and have been proven to do so imho....
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Post by ourway77 on Oct 31, 2016 6:01:42 GMT -5
Thanks everyone great information I have been duplexing 10/4759 50/4198 with blue sabots and 200 grain SST bullets As soon as I can get some bullets I will be increasing the load as suggested Thanks everyone Lou
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Post by aldeerhunter on Oct 31, 2016 8:29:37 GMT -5
Interesting discussion. Elkman, why do you say the use of dual loads is dangerous?
Will someone explain what is meant by the statement above that "I don't have a centerfire action gun so I have to settle with my 700 ml action." What is the disadvantage that is being referred to? The difference in the ignition system, 209 v modules, or is it something else?
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