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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 16, 2016 16:33:14 GMT -5
I wanted to shoot more than one group today but that didn't work out because of problems on our range that needed taken care off. I didn't shoot this 4 shot group I left one of our club members shot the gun because he was interested in a muzzleloader and didn't believe you could shot 600 yards with a muzzleloader well he knows different know.
This was shot using Kyles 300gr bullet with my standard 73 gr load of IMR 4198. It was windy but not all that bad. It just takes time to get 4 off in the same conditions but all in all he did well. His second shot was the lowest of the group and he said it went off before he was really ready. But it is still a nice group. I never shot these bullets at 100 yards but judging at what they did at 600 yards I would say they should shoot really small. Good job Kyle.
  
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Post by Hank on Oct 16, 2016 16:36:00 GMT -5
Not to bad... maintained under 1 MOA all the way to 600 yards... good shooting for sure
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 16, 2016 16:45:58 GMT -5
Yeah for muzzleloader that is really good. I get to test stuff at these long distances. I tell all my customer that the gun is capable of shooting good out to 600 yards but conditions have to be good. The wind can really blow you way off course in a hurry. I really try to tell people to keep their shots 300 yards and under and you will be way better off. The bullets just don't have the B.C. to buck the wind at the longer distances. But maybe your Big gun at 3800fps would have less wind drift. Don't you have a place to shoot out to 600 yards?
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Post by dennis on Oct 16, 2016 16:48:16 GMT -5
That is very impressive shooting considering wind and a shooter new to that gun.I would say he is a believer in the ml capabilities now.
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Post by deadeye on Oct 16, 2016 17:12:57 GMT -5
that is a fine shooting mz & triggerpullin. seen many groups like that out in that territory & beyond with our special mz's. what I am noticing in short samples so far the upper node's the bullet is more modeling say g1 ballistic's in nature.
so I expect hank's 350@3800fps to get here done to 1k somewhat easily & maybe more....in the right hands which they are.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2016 17:15:00 GMT -5
Mighty fine shooting!
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Post by Hank on Oct 16, 2016 17:39:47 GMT -5
I have a place that I can shoot it to 1000 yards but only after the crops are harvested and after the November gun season.. I can set up on my farm and shoot over to my neighbors farm.. I have permission from him to do this but only after they are done deer hunting for the year.
I agree most shots should be limited to 300 yards and less even with foot supports, if going past 300 yards you most definitely need a good shooting rest and sand bags. A walking deer is not a possible shot. The deer must be standing still and not spooky at all.. 400 yards and farther, everything must line up perfectly or you can quickly have a wounded animal on your hands ...
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 16, 2016 17:46:15 GMT -5
If you were planning on shooting out to 1K the 350gr bullet would be a much better choice than the 300gr. The high velocity would also help but unfortunately not as much as you might think. the bullet is still a flat base bullet and the velocity loss will be a big factor. I had two different 30/378 Whby long range rifles with 40" barrels. I ran 200gr SMK at 3600 fps they did shoot really flat at 1K but a 338/378 with a 300gr SMK left that gun in the dust at 1,200 yards hence I saw the light and built a big 338/378 their is no substitute for high B.C heavy bullets at high velocity. A 300gr SMK at 3100fps is a real animal out past 2,000 yards.
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Post by Richard on Oct 16, 2016 19:50:22 GMT -5
Yup! What Elkman said!  I modified a used 30 Dasher barrel my friend Bill bought real cheap. Little did he know that it was a tight neck. Bill does not do tight necks and did not want to learn neck turning. He had given me the barrel to put on his Rem. 700 action. When I figured out the reason the bolt would not close on a loaded round that the neck was too fat, I had to call him and give the bad news. If I had a neck reamer I could have just opened the neck.........but did not? Looking thru my reamers, all I had was a minimum SAAMI spec .308 finish match reamer. The problem was the lead was longer than the bullets generally used with that cartridge.....Oh, the barrel was a 1 - 16 twist. Well, Bill told me to go ahead and do it. So now he has a 30 Dasher with a freebore suitable for a 155 Palma rather than a 110 flat base bullet. To make a long story short, he loaded and shot the short little case with the 155 gr. bullets and they DID stabilize and give him some pretty impressive groups at 300 yards. So, he decided he would take it to the next 600 yard match..........he did and the results were terrible. So, just because it would shoot at 300, did not mean it would shoot at 600. The bullet could not be pushed fast enough and hence slowed down too much to be an effective 600 yard cartridge. Yet, the current 600 yard heavy gun small group was shot with a 155 Palma bullet but from a .308 case in a much faster twist barrel. That five shot group was .404" The point here is you need to match the proper bullet/twist/velocity for really consistent long range shooting. And while Hanks velocity with that 350 gr. bullet is impressive, it is not a 1K bullet. Just my perspective! |
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Post by doug136 on Oct 16, 2016 20:02:23 GMT -5
I'll betcha Hankins may prove otherwise !? Elkman what's the velosity on your 72 grain load ?
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Post by doug136 on Oct 16, 2016 20:03:31 GMT -5
Sorry 73 grain load
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 17, 2016 0:12:35 GMT -5
Out of a Shilen .457 barrel that load has always given me 2800fps with a CCI 209 mag primer since I switched to Federals I have picked up another 40 fps. That was with the 300gr SST which has more bearing surface since the Pittman has less bearing surface It might be going a little slower. It was also only 50 degrees when this group was shot today which makes a difference in velocity but not by much but the cooler air makes the bullet drop a little more. 18moa up should have been dead center on the target the Parkers get on with 15moa. The 300gr SST can take 21.5 moa
The only way Hank will know for sure is to put the gun on paper at 600 and then 1,000 yards. There is a world of difference from 600 yards to 1,000 yards. I would think the 350 gr bullet has a much better chance than the 300 gr at 1,000 yards. But if it is the least bit windy he will have a tough time shooting a group. It all depends how fast he can load that monster 3 times. It would be fun to try.
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Post by Kyle on Oct 17, 2016 23:36:03 GMT -5
I wanted to shoot more than one group today but that didn't work out because of problems on our range that needed taken care off. I didn't shoot this 4 shot group I left one of our club members shot the gun because he was interested in a muzzleloader and didn't believe you could shot 600 yards with a muzzleloader well he knows different know.
This was shot using Kyles 300gr bullet with my standard 73 gr load of IMR 4198. It was windy but not all that bad. It just takes time to get 4 off in the same conditions but all in all he did well. His second shot was the lowest of the group and he said it went off before he was really ready. But it is still a nice group. I never shot these bullets at 100 yards but judging at what they did at 600 yards I would say they should shoot really small. Good job Kyle.
View AttachmentView AttachmentView Attachment Elkman I was beginning to think that you couldn't shoot till I saw this group. 😀Good shooting! |
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 18, 2016 11:01:39 GMT -5
I have only been shooting 1K matches didn't have time for M/L'S all summer and it was to darn hot. Fall is muzzleloader building time then winter months is devoted to building rifle rests for the 1K boy's for their big toys.
And then there is hunting season. Been out with the crossbow down in Virginia. On the Eastern shore didn't see anything big enough to take.
Hey your 300gr bullets will shoot at 600 yards. Like I posted I never shot them at 100 yards in this gun so the point of impact could have been different then what the gun was sighted in for. But I have shot them before and 18 MOA is what is usually needed at 2,800 fps.
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Post by esdeerslayer on Oct 21, 2016 17:06:25 GMT -5
Local easternshoreman here. Elkman Where you hunting on the shore?
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Post by elkman1310 on Oct 22, 2016 8:10:53 GMT -5
Hello we have land leased right below Pocomoke City on the Virginia state line all along Holland Road. But we lost some really good fields. They are now full of solar panels and high deer fences very disappointing. Where do you hunt?
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Post by nyhunter on Oct 29, 2016 15:37:58 GMT -5
Nice shooting, well done.
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I modified a used 30 Dasher barrel my friend Bill bought real cheap. Little did he know that it was a tight neck. Bill does not do tight necks and did not want to learn neck turning. He had given me the barrel to put on his Rem. 700 action. When I figured out the reason the bolt would not close on a loaded round that the neck was too fat, I had to call him and give the bad news. If I had a neck reamer I could have just opened the neck.........but did not? Looking thru my reamers, all I had was a minimum SAAMI spec .308 finish match reamer. The problem was the lead was longer than the bullets generally used with that cartridge.....Oh, the barrel was a 1 - 16 twist. Well, Bill told me to go ahead and do it. So now he has a 30 Dasher with a freebore suitable for a 155 Palma rather than a 110 flat base bullet. To make a long story short, he loaded and shot the short little case with the 155 gr. bullets and they DID stabilize and give him some pretty impressive groups at 300 yards. So, he decided he would take it to the next 600 yard match..........he did and the results were terrible. So, just because it would shoot at 300, did not mean it would shoot at 600. The bullet could not be pushed fast enough and hence slowed down too much to be an effective 600 yard cartridge. Yet, the current 600 yard heavy gun small group was shot with a 155 Palma bullet but from a .308 case in a much faster twist barrel. That five shot group was .404"
