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Post by doug136 on Jul 12, 2016 19:49:24 GMT -5
I have been sitting in this hospital for 2 days trying to think about anything other than my fathers illness . i have gone back through all of the old post , read and reread anything that has interested me . One thing that i have been contemplating is buying a front shooting bag . I have a Cadwell tack driver bag , not the best but i have actually shot some pretty good groups with this rest . i have been thinking of buying a (Dog Gone Good Bag) or a Bull Bag . I have a Cadwell Rock front rest but kinda like the front bags better . What do you guys think about using a front bag instead of a front rest ? Also if using a bag for a front rest some still use a rear bag some do not ? Appreciate any info
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Post by Hank on Jul 12, 2016 19:58:16 GMT -5
I like the Edgewood bags along with my Sinclair front test.. I would suggest you take a look at their website and see if they have anything that interest you,, if so, order direct from them and you will usually get your bags in 2 to 3 weeks., even though their website says it takes longer.
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Post by hillbill on Jul 12, 2016 20:29:16 GMT -5
I have a Dog Gone good bag and for a shooting house it's great, I used it at Jeff's during the stuff he filmed in December. For bench shooting I would opt for a decent front rest/ bag combo and good rear bag, they are much more user friendly for repeat shots from a bench BUT if you don't bench a lot the DGG works well, just a pain to resettle the gun on every shot because of the way you have to place the stock down inside the bag.
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Post by Richard on Jul 12, 2016 21:59:58 GMT -5
Remember, you have to load for every shot! That means picking up your rifle out of the rest, loading and then getting it back and "settled" for the next shot. That "getting it settled" is where you can lose consistency. Any type of rest that will get the gun settled and back on target with a minimum of fussing will produce better more consistent results...........At least in my opinion. Being a benchrest shooter, we thrive on consistency in our rest set ups. For me, its my customized lead sled with its base that is clamped to the bench that gives me consistency. A add on plate on the forend which is 3" wide, fits in the 3" flat bag I replaced on the sled. An additional add on block on the toe of the stock allows it to fit perfectly on the rear pocket of the sled. The sled rides on tracks that slide freely only to the rear as there are guide rails to control movement. I just have to nudge the rest about 1" forward after each shot. When I load my rifle and set it back in the sled it immediately comes back on target. For me? This is ideal for a muzzle loader. Plus, I can literally shoot shoulder crunching loads all day with no fatigue! This means I am never worried about the scope hitting my eye or my shoulder starting to hurt. This translates into relaxed shooting and more concentration on getting my scope settled with no movement. Everyone has their own way of doing things but this is what gives me confidence every time that 2 oz. Shilen trigger breaks a shot. I am never concerned with "pulling or flinching" due recoil taking its toll on my shoulder. If you are strictly sighting in for hunting and don't plan on a lot of shooting, then most any rest system will work reasonably well. Nothing wrong with one of Uncle Bud's Bulls Bags or similar setups. For more serious shooting, Bill has made a good point.
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Post by doug136 on Jul 12, 2016 22:52:45 GMT -5
Well you know me ! I'll have every dam rest and then buy the Sinclair . I have a tendency to do things backwards ! For some reason I seem to shoot better with bags because I think the gun is more contained but completely understand what everyone is saying . And yes Richard while Dad was sleeping a made a trip to Gander mountain and looked at a led sled also ! I can just about guarantee I will have every rest before I decide what I like best . I went ahead and ordered a Dog Gone Bag and a Bull Bag . I figured I could use them for deer hunting or varmint hunting . I already have a Cadwell Rock rest . I like it ok but wish it sat lower . I just have not ordered a Sinclair yet because I'm not sure which model . If I order another front rest it will be a good one . Do others have preference to any other front rest besides the Sinclair ? I want something that sits low , stable and adjust easy .
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Post by Richard on Jul 13, 2016 10:58:38 GMT -5
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Post by Hank on Jul 13, 2016 11:59:46 GMT -5
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Post by 247deer on Jul 13, 2016 18:48:04 GMT -5
I have a bald eagle gun rest and rear bag. But then I bought the (dog gone- good bag ) large front bag and the wedge bag. If I had to chose 1 it would be the (dog-gone good bag) I don't find it hard to pull the gun out and put it back just set it back in the pocket
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Post by doug136 on Jul 13, 2016 21:10:35 GMT -5
Richard how much he is that rest ? I'm finding out you can't take money with you ! How high does the rest sit in its lowest position ? I also bought the( Dog Gone Good medium rest with rear bag and Bull Bag bench rest model ) Ill use those to hunt with .
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Post by outcast on Jul 13, 2016 21:51:53 GMT -5
There is so many Dog Gone Bags which one is Best? Need a Dog Gone suitcase just to bring'em all to the shoot! Wholly smokes! Seriously though small, medium, or large?
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Post by Richard on Jul 14, 2016 19:22:44 GMT -5
Not sure the price on that rest but would guess its upward of 6 or $700. You can contact him in a PM and ask. His first name is Carl. He builds a lot of rests for the 1K crowd at Williamsport PA.
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Post by airborneike on Jul 14, 2016 20:42:37 GMT -5
Doug 136,
Been a while since I competeted in bench rest shoots. One thing that separated the winners from the masses was, IME, the rest system.
Smokeless muzzle loading is not exactly like bench rest shooting but the accuracy principles and "table manners" are. I saw more improvement in group sizes and scores with the advent of co-axial front rests than with any other equipment upgrade. Recoil management during the micro second at firing is key to winning. I watched some good shooters become very good match winners when they switched to co axial rests.
Does it mean that if you shoot on a coaxial, you will automatically win? I don't know but using the coaxial sure won't hurt.....maybe ask Deadeye.
I will try to get some pictures of different rests up.
Some are pricey and some not so much.
SEB, probably the best out there....$1200.00 to $1700.00
Farley, just as good but not as well made.....around $750.00
Butch Lambert @ Shadetree, used to be around $300.00 but is probably more now
Caldwell Fire control, the cheapest but with a little work, just as effective as the others....Just ask Chad Jenkins. He set at least two IBS 600 yard records using his fire control rest.
Often, the things that are done to win matches are small and subtle. Your system has to work very well to begin with and the the tiny tweaks then come into play.
THERE AIN"T NO MAGIC BULLET....pardon the lax english and shout
PS; You high speed low drag machinists can make your own coaxial rest....I did and still use it.
Mike
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Post by hillbill on Jul 15, 2016 7:05:20 GMT -5
Good advice Mike..
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 8:08:01 GMT -5
Apologies...slightly off topic, but do they allow these contraptions at that friendship shoot that bestill458 goes to?
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Post by bestill458 on Jul 15, 2016 14:29:45 GMT -5
Yes they do in the inline aggregate but no rear support allowed.
And maximum of 4" contact front to rear of front rest.
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Post by elkman1310 on Jul 15, 2016 17:40:32 GMT -5
The rests I build are very special for the 1.000 yard crowd. They are expensive and would be over kill for the average kind of shooting we do with or muzzleloaders. Grizzly Imports is selling their Bald Eagle rests pretty darn cheap. They are not a bad rest. The do require a little work to get them up to speed but for under $200.00 you can't get anything better. The cable drive system is a waste it has way to much slack because they used a cheap cable that flexes when you turn it. Several shooters around here bought them and then took the cable off and just added a nice knob for the side adjustment. A decent front rest is far better than any kind of shooting bag.
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Post by doug136 on Jul 15, 2016 21:38:31 GMT -5
Thanks guys I appreciate all the info . This will give me something to research . I'm sure the little things will make a big difference when your talking about such a small margin for error . I wish I could go somewhere and see all these rest . I don't have a problem spending the money I just want to make sure the rest is set up like I want . I want the rest to be about 3.5 to 4.0 inches from the bottom of the stock . With the full 4 inches of contact Bestill is talking about. May just have to make something or modify a rest until I get what I want . Again thank you for all the replies
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Post by Richard on Jul 15, 2016 21:58:44 GMT -5
Airborneike's advice is very good if you are going to be shooting multiple shots and have to get them off fast. The coaxial will get you on target fast. In the case of a muzzleloader, it is not necessary to get back on target quick as you have to remove the rifle to load it? Just a good solid rest as Elkman has indicated. Deadeye is probably also using that rest of his for his CF rifle competition and it serves a dual purpose.
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Post by Hank on Jul 19, 2016 7:51:50 GMT -5
Thanks guys I appreciate all the info . This will give me something to research . I'm sure the little things will make a big difference when your talking about such a small margin for error . I wish I could go somewhere and see all these rest . I don't have a problem spending the money I just want to make sure the rest is set up like I want . I want the rest to be about 3.5 to 4.0 inches from the bottom of the stock . With the full 4 inches of contact Bestill is talking about. May just have to make something or modify a rest until I get what I want . Again thank you for all the replies The Kentucky Challenge will have multiple styles of rest. From home made custom rest to factory store bought...
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Post by doug136 on Jul 19, 2016 17:28:50 GMT -5
your right Jeff . I may just wait and look at some rest at the Challenge . I have a Cadwell and several bags for now . I have in my head what i want just need to find the right rest or build one .Man o man did this muzzleloader bug bite me hard . I'm spending a lot of money but could be spending money on much worse things. Also gives me something to think about .Just want to thank everyone again , everyone is always very very helpful ! I really appreciate all the info without making me feel stupid . I'm gonna keep throwing dumb questions at you guys ! THANK YOU EVERYONE
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