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Post by doug136 on Apr 28, 2016 14:21:13 GMT -5
I have a dumb question . Why doesn't everyone shoot 300 to 350 grain bullets ? I realize the lighter bullets have better velocity and less drop at shorter ranges . I also realized when you shoot a heavier bullet you need to reduce your powder charge thus losing velocity but gain BC . Which I've been told the heavier bullet will actually have better trajectory at longer ranges ? So if the heavier bullet has less wind drift, preforms better on deer and has better trajectory at longer ranges why doesn't everyone shoot at least a 300 grain bullet ? Is the recoil a lot more than say a 275. Grain bullet even tho the powder charge is reduced ? I'm missing something , I'm sure of it . Thanks for any info
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Post by keith on Apr 29, 2016 5:58:52 GMT -5
The recoil between a 302gn and 344gn bullet is noticeable. Is it uncomfortable? Not in my opinion. The advantages you list are all true but lots of guys don't need them and don't want the added recoil.
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Post by doug136 on Apr 29, 2016 7:31:37 GMT -5
So even tho you lower the powder charge the recoil is more with the heavier bullet ?
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Post by keith on Apr 29, 2016 9:50:45 GMT -5
Powder may or may not be less by weight. I use 70gn H4198 with the 302gn bullet and 95gn IMR3031 with the 344gn bullet. MV is about 150fps different between the two but total ejecta matter is higher with the heavy bullet.
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Post by doug136 on Apr 29, 2016 10:42:41 GMT -5
That would definitely kick harder !
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Post by doug136 on Apr 29, 2016 10:45:40 GMT -5
I was going by Jeff's videos where he lowers his 4198 load for the heavier bullet. I was curious if the recoil then would be the same with less powder and lower velocity?
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Post by gar on Apr 29, 2016 11:00:39 GMT -5
The 78 gr.load is the max for 275 gr. bullets. the 73 gr. load is max for the 325. 75 gr. max for the 300. So you will have substantial recoil with all of them but you could reduce say the powder for felt recoil further so the heavier bullets would effectively have the same recoil as the lighter bullets. Or use of different powders as Keith mentioned.
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Post by keith on Apr 29, 2016 17:51:39 GMT -5
My opinion is the heaviest bullet where 4198 is useful is the 325gn and I think it's marginal there. People act like 4198 is a do all powder and it isn't. There are better powders for the job; if there weren't it would be like post-WWII with a fistful of mil-surp. The 344gn is never going to be a soft shooting competitor to the full speed 302gn. It will outrun it with less MV but to get the performance it needs to justify its use you will use heavier doses of slower powder and deal with heavier recoil. That's not to say you can't shoot it slow but it won't do magic tricks.
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Post by Richard on Apr 29, 2016 19:42:16 GMT -5
Doug........I have rarely heard of anyone complaining about recoil in a hunting situation? It is more a "range thing!" On the range you can use various means of shoulder protection or a lead sled to practice with. You can always verify your hits after the testing is done by what ever method you use when hunting.
With that being said, I say.........shoot whatever bullet/weight works for you?
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Post by buckdoehunter on Apr 30, 2016 7:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by doug136 on Apr 30, 2016 18:21:16 GMT -5
Thanks guys i appreciate all the info just trying to learn . Cant help myself, always thinking .
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Post by 10gaauto on May 1, 2016 16:25:02 GMT -5
To really get the BC advantage of heavier bullets in the SML gun you need to be shooting over 300 up to whatever you want to do. Plus I shoot/hunt here in eastern VA and the only place you get a shot over 85 yd is on a power/gas line or in a field. I pretty much hunt so I get the deer before they get in the fields. I am building a "better long range" rifle so I can field hunt too but there is a world of difference in the way I call/rattle/stalk/sneak creep hunt and beanfield stand hunt. At the shorter ranges the heavy bullets work just fine but you don't have to push them so hard and the lighter bullets do just as well and less recoil etc... I do practice out to 300 and the BDC type scopes and practice gives plenty confidence out to 300 if I need it and have a good rest/hold. There are quite a few guys around shooting Ashland, Swinglock, FishHawk, HillBill, and Hankins rifles etc... Yeah they shoot out to 700 but that is just a bit beyond my current setup and abilities. I'm upgrading a couple rifles & glass and I'll see what happens in the future. 10
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Post by doug136 on May 2, 2016 8:46:52 GMT -5
Everything makes sense . I think all the BS talk on the other board had me splitting hairs . I think sometimes they use big words and facts that I'm not sure are correct . That's why I appreciate Jeff Hankins and his board , you guys tend to keep it simple . I'm gonna shoot a 270ish grain bullet that is plenty good for the distances that I will be shooting .
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Post by doug136 on May 2, 2016 8:50:40 GMT -5
Also nice to not have my post's changed or delieted because I happen to mention Jeff or Kentucky . I can honestly say I never seen more grown men act like kindergarteners!
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Post by dannoboone on May 2, 2016 11:55:18 GMT -5
I'm gonna shoot a 270ish grain bullet that is plenty good for the distances that I will be shooting . If you're referring to the Parker MH E-Max, ya might want to rethink that. They have thinner jackets and may ruin a lot of meat if not shot broadside through the lungs. Great for paper, but..... Kyle's 275 AccuMax or the 275 MH's are going to be my choice, whichever is more accurate in my .451, and I believe I already know the answer to that.  |
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Post by doug136 on May 2, 2016 14:13:46 GMT -5
Im hoping to do both paper and hunt also have some Pitman bullets to try.
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Post by Richard on May 2, 2016 15:52:52 GMT -5
If they don't shoot for you Doug.............let me know and I send you my address where they can be shipped!  |
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Post by doug136 on May 3, 2016 8:29:33 GMT -5
Lol Richard ill get right on that ! Even if they didnt shoot ill keep them around just cause thier so darn pretty !
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Post by doug136 on May 3, 2016 8:35:54 GMT -5
I got a kick out of kyles bullets . Someone posted on the other board that the pittman bullets looked cheap and made poorly . When i picked them up at the challenge i couldnt wait to open the box . I have no idea what they were talking about ! I dont think you could make a more perfect looking bullet ! Have know idea how they will shoot for me but dang it man they look awsome !
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Post by mooseman on May 3, 2016 13:11:36 GMT -5
I used 400gr Barnes Buster Bullet, with Benchmark powder. I wont mention the powder weight since I'm not sure it was a safe load. 2104FPS Recoil was stout at the bench off shooting sticks not bad but still stout 42 foot pounds....300gr 375 H&H about 35 pounds
Never got to use it on game, I was hoping to use it on Mr. Brown but its was not meant to be. The only hunting I do is watching video's of Brown Bear hunts.
Just like a little girl would do. Don't get old there is no future in it
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