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Post by deadeye on Apr 27, 2016 22:57:03 GMT -5
first off we are not perfect but I strive to be the best I can be & I in no way a expert. sometimes some ask questions what were you thinking & with the drive home I had approx. 3.5 hrs to think over my mistakes while in friendly competition.
while on the line/relay & often going to school on other peoples targets my mind has to race rapidly as I only want to do well with the changing conditions etc that goes on during the shoot.
this should give russ a little to read about while in therapy. lol
after talking to a few in what they were experiencing as far as wind/hold-off's etc I decided to put what I did & share what I probably should have done to possibly score/group better.
** I find everyone's individual experience very interesting so feel free to post what you have to say also-this is what this thread is about**
pre-ky shoot @ home- with the round count around 75 shots the decision was to go as is or to clean? I decided to clean & run approx. 11-13 shots which is generally where this barrel starts to group at its best which is around .6-.7 moa avg. it responded & showed consistent promise again.
arrived thur. fired a shot Friday @ 200 cold bore-was dead-on//drilled the x out if there was one,so boxed up overnight.
sat- after breakfast set back up & fired at the same left over target that still had my x-punch-out from the day before- result- approx. 1" higher from the day/shot before- shooter happy-yes
after the shooter drawing/relay's when I approached the bench & set-up//wind was calm but a slight from r<l around 5mph but somewhat consistent.
100yd set- while setting up I had a sprayed rubber coating on my rest "superfeet" //as I shoved the rest forward I did not know at this time the rubber rolled,buckled on the super feet. there was movement in something & I usually shoot mz in what I call semi-free recoil but checked my front rest bag & it was ok so I would have to shoot almost free recoil as it was very touchy/in other words there was a slight movement if I touched the gun in any way.
100yd-shot #1 & #2 in the same exact hole fighting the gun/hold////whew! on shot #3 the wind picked up a little more from r<l//fighting the hold I should have waited since there was plenty of time but a person that is usually very patient sent it anyway. result- .470 which was wind induced... not totally happy as I wanted .2-.3 but ok.... over with & thoughts toward the 200yd relay. another mistake I forgot to dial down from my 200yd zero to put me in the 10 ring.............
between 100 & 200yd relay peeled the rubber off feet & rest was stable as it should have been.
200yds- with the winds what I call fishy or a coin toss //they were from left/right 45deg both ways-down & back the shooting lane changing at a moments notice. shot 3 in a .917 grp//// satisfied even though a L>R pushed approx. 1" right with 3-10's /1 of which a borderline 10 ring cut. shooter happy
with the winds increasing a little(still fishy) a lot of thought processing on what to do for the 300yd relay as I don't want to throw off paper & get dq'd///we got a sighter at that point which was optional if the shooter wanted so I elected to dial what I thought 1/2 of the wind value(playing conservative) which was 3" & I was correct as it was actually 6"---with a mil-dot hunting reticle this would get very interesting trying to nail down a small group in this situation.
300yds- without further dialing & 1/2 wind hold I had to use the 1.0 mil-dot(el) & hold a little off creating a 1/8 moon sliver(target center hold)--problem now is I had mirage to deal with even @ 11x so here goes- 1st 2 shots approx. 1'' apart high in the 10 ring,,,shot # 3 wind picked up & I was impatient again as I was moving the reticle in & out due to the wind... result 3rd shot took me to 2.412
overall happy but the 2 impatient shots but who know's if I had waited the results may or may not have been better.
that's the way it goes-share your story!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 1:08:12 GMT -5
Jeff, that was a very good description of the thought process and decision that need to be made to be at the top the leader board at the Kentucky challenge. I was personally very happy for you that you were the group winner, knowing the issues that happened at the previous shoots.
Not to mention all the time and effort you put in cooking, it was greatly appreciated.
Regrets, on the drive home I was thinking that I should have shot the 30 in the match, not because I thought I could win but, that everyone could see that it is the real deal.
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Post by gar on Apr 28, 2016 5:39:24 GMT -5
Yeah, the winds were not that strong but were tricky. That 30 is the real deal.
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Post by schunter on Apr 28, 2016 6:41:06 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing your process Jeff. This was only the 2nd match I have ever participated in so I have a lot to learn.
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Post by deadeyedon89 on Apr 28, 2016 7:10:13 GMT -5
Good shooting deadeye, it truly was a pleasure meeting you and enjoying your cooking. I too ask myself "what if" while driving home. All in all I was happy with my shooting for the day in a whole and learned from my mistakes. Thanks for the description of your day/thoughts.
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Post by deadeye on Apr 28, 2016 8:12:08 GMT -5
Jeff, that was a very good description of the thought process and decision that need to be made to be at the top the leader board at the Kentucky challenge. I was personally very happy for you that you were the group winner, knowing the issues that happened at the previous shoots. Not to mention all the time and effort you put in cooking, it was greatly appreciated. Regrets, on the drive home I was thinking that I should have shot the 30 in the match, not because I thought I could win but, that everyone could see that it is the real deal. hammer- I did wonder why you didn't shoot that .30///that gun & your innovation is awesome! my wallet's wanting to hurt a little more!
yes- last 2 shoots I found out the hard way with that set-up 4831 was temp sensitive in especially higher temps. respectfully another great shooter there is learning also & I make a hell of a lot of mistakes but won't on the next election!
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Post by Richard on Apr 28, 2016 10:47:44 GMT -5
Following along Jeff's lines, my experience was this: At 100 yards with the first shot cutting the orange X dot, I simply held the same for the next two. One of the next two went in the same hole but one creeped a little off to the right for a .428". Wind or me??? When they are that close, it gets hard to say. At 200 yards my target had no orange dot? Oh, well, no big deal but the three shots went to the right of center. I will mention this now: The red/maroon center rings on the targets were not ideal for seeing your shots. If the sun was out and not behind a cloud, the hole could be seen. When the sun went in, it was extremely hard to see the shots and even more so at 300. IBS targets use a light blue surround and keep the center white...why? Because their testing showed it made it easier to see the bullet holes. Anyway, I had been very centered when practicing earlier so assume the right hits were wind related. I was going to hold off to the left.....enee,minee, miney moe.........well I elected to stay centered and lost one shot in the 9 ring..........would not have helped the group but the score would have been one point higher. 300 was the tricky one............This was the first time Jeff asked if everyone would like to shoot a sighter shot on an adjacent target board?..........Great idea and I was all for it. So I fire my sighter shot and it hits DEAD center! Perfect-------------Now I go to the record target figuring I am going to kill it! The first two shots go just slightly high but almost touching the X-----------Great! So where does the third one go? Off to the right to make it a 2.7" group. Had I not "wasted" that sighter, I probably would have been right at about one inch But, thats competition! Great shoot, Good food and more new friends!
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Post by markb317 on Apr 28, 2016 12:06:28 GMT -5
I think the main issue I had at the challenge with my groups was shooting 4831 powder. After the match I switched back to 4198 and shot a very good group at 100 yds.I also think my rifle rest setup was not working as well as I would have liked it to. I'm going to have to try a little different setup. I will have my load and rest figured out for the August shoot....
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Post by doug136 on Apr 28, 2016 14:54:38 GMT -5
May I ask what all scopes were u guys shooting at the challenge ? Brands and powers ? I'm wanting to buy a mid range scope for my Savage/brux sml that Bestil is building me . I would like to shoot the gun possibly at friendship and the challenge in August . any info appreciated.
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Post by hillbill on Apr 28, 2016 15:01:02 GMT -5
I will start by saying I'm just avj when it comes to bench shooting, not even in the same ball park as the Jeff's, Richard and some of these other guys.
my 100 yd was terrible? Why? I was shooting pretty much blind having had no practice before I went to Ky, I was shooting a new bullet and never got the combo right before the saturday shoot, no excuses just didn't get it done.
200? I had two in one hole and the third dropped out? again, no excuses.
the 300? I knew it was going to be interesting with all the wind but I elected not to do a sighter just to see If I could get it in the red? well that was my mistake because I had a decent group when I look back at everyone elses but with only one in the red it lowered my overall score. Next time out I might take things a little more seriously as I will have no gobblers to worry me?
All in all I can honestly say I didn't shoot well and the only thing I can blame it on is me, better next time? we will see
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Post by hando31 on Apr 28, 2016 20:57:25 GMT -5
Cool post Deadeye, Here's my first Kentucky challenge play by play. Hammer, you absolutely should have shot the 30, anyone that was there Saturday knows it's the real deal after a .670 300 yard group, I'd say the rifle is getting it done. DeadeyeDon and I have burned a lot of powder this winter and sent a lot of Accumax's and a few Match Hunters down range. Once the guns were doped, most shooting was done at 400 and 500 yards most days. Arriving on Friday for practice all I was looking to do was verify zero after the trip down. With a lot of guys needing to shoot I shot a three shot hundred, then shot one shot at 200 and one at 300 to verify my dope. Saturday morning 100 Shots one and two cloverleafed in the X, shot 3 felt good but cut the far right edge of the X. Worst 100 yard group I've shot in along time but it really wasn't horrible. Not sure what happened to shot 3 but as Hillbill would say " hey it's a muzzle loader" lol 200 Almost the same scenario as 100. Shots 1 and 2 were pretty tight, shot 3 sailed a bit even though the shot felt good. Still sub MOA but not anything overly impressive, managed to stay in the 10 ring so still clean point wise 300 It would be a flat out lie if I told you there was no conversation between Hillbill, Deadeye and I about the wind situation and how much windage we all thought about holding as we put up targets for this round Anyway, i decide to dial .75 MOA and shot and three shots that way. Shot one loaded a bit harder that it had all day, landed slight above the X right but was good left and right. Shots 2 and 3 felt good but I couldn't see them in my scope so honestly had no idea where they were, I assumed it probably wasn't that good. As I got up I turned about the time Hillbill lifted off the spotting scope, he looked at me, smiled and said that's a good one or something along those lines so I figure I was in good shape. Finished the day with my best 300 yard group I have shot with this rifle so far and stayed clean in the points, shots 2 and 3 cloverleafed at the top of the X. Im certainly no bench rest shooter but I do like to shoot and I shoot every chance I get, the end result for me was a little lucky I think. All I know is I had a great time, met a lot of good people and gained a lot of knowledge, and that was truly my whole purpose of making the trip. Only thing I hope to change before the next shoot is to loose the first focal plane I have currently mounted, cross hairs get a little thick when aiming at a small dot. And to Doug's question there was a wide variety of brands there this weekend, what I saw was Vortex, Nightforce, Burris, Zeiss and a Bushnell, maybe a couple others. My current scope is a 4x 16, probably a few 6 X 24's and at least 2 8 X 32 Nightforces. Hope that gives you at least a little info
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Post by Richard on Apr 28, 2016 21:33:32 GMT -5
I just picked up on what Hando said........"I could not see my shot" at 300. As I had mentioned in my post, the maroon color tends to hide even he .45 cal. shots. Good shooting Eric! For me, I was using a 8 x 32 Night Force. Aside from the reticule, I love the scope. The clicks are very repeatable. I was fortunate enough to buy it back from a guy I sold it to five years ago for the same $700 or I would be shooting my Leupold MK4 16X.
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Post by hillbill on Apr 29, 2016 3:49:45 GMT -5
4x24 leupold vx-6 for me I will agree with Hando about Phil's 30, a lazer beam and by far the biggest conversation piece there. great job on the build Phil. Once again, overall the groups might not have been great but neither were the conditions, it's not like shooting at home with no distractions or pressure to get it done. to think you can go there and shoot bugholes? you might or, well stuff happens.
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Post by tnhunter54 on Apr 29, 2016 6:22:23 GMT -5
I didn't shoot well either but that happens sometimes, but on a positive note I had a great time and the food was excellent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2016 6:35:59 GMT -5
I brought a failing scope that crapped out at the shoot. I knew something wasn't right but I wanted to attend so it came with me. Vortex is sending a new one. I chambered and installed a brake on a new barrel. I will have a new setup.to shoot
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Post by Kyle on Apr 29, 2016 7:00:19 GMT -5
No excuses for me, except lack of practice. At 100 I shot 2 in the same hole and dropped one low, to hard into the pad. My 200 and 300 yard groups were both 1/2" tall with horizontal stringing. I held no wind for all shots, guess I should have.
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Post by doug136 on Apr 29, 2016 7:16:50 GMT -5
Another dumb question . So the crosshairs get smaller with the magnification in a 2nd focal plane scope ? I'm having a turff time deciding on a scope . I'm gonna put a VX6 3X18 ON my Hankins but was gonna try something different on my Savage that Bestill is building me. I was thinking of a Weaver Super Slam, Vortex PST or a Burris Verosity ? They are all in about the same price range . Although a little more money also considering a Sightron I'll . What magnification would u guys suggest to do both ( punch paper and hunt )
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Post by doug136 on Apr 29, 2016 7:24:00 GMT -5
Wow Richard 8x32 ? I would of thought you could of seen a knat take a poop on the target with a 32 power scope ! Lol do you hunt with that or is that just for bench shooting ? I always enjoy your post Richard . They are very informative.
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Post by hando31 on Apr 29, 2016 8:06:58 GMT -5
I'm sure someone can get more technical but this is the basic jist on the scopes as I see it.
I'm currently shooting a Vortex PST 4 X 16 x 50 FFP(first focal plane). Cross hairs get bigger as magnification increases. Second focal plane scopes crosshairs stay the same size no matter what.
My scope is an MOA scope FFP, each hash mark on my reticle is equal to one MOA no matter what magnification I am set at. There can be advantages to this set up depending on how you choose to use your turrets and reticle. It also can be a disadvantage at full power at distance when trying to acquire a very small target as the crosshairs can get a bit heavy. If my scope was a SFP then my reticle hash marks would only be 1 MOA at 16 power.
Hopefully that makes at least a little sense and I didn't make things worse.
Personally I don't think I'd go above 25 power of i was gonna use it as a hunting rig and shot some competitions just for fun, and really you could probably get away with less
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Post by doug136 on Apr 29, 2016 8:30:40 GMT -5
Thank you ! Yes that makes plenty of sense . Why do guys even care about hash marks in your scope when you have turrets ?
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